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Old 06-27-2010, 09:45 PM
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Default PCA or other ruling on 'windows', open, lexan ok?

for a couple of reasons, one being an issue im having a bit with wind and a possible eye laser thing...i was thking of putting lexan side windows in my 2004 Boxster S , F class spec race car.
my cup car has lexan full windows, never had a problem at pca events or other etc.

but i usually just keep the windows rolled down in the boxster. obviously noone wants glass windows up. but if they were lexan would that be permissible under pca rules?
woudl they have to be afixed or could i jsut replace the up/down glass pieces??

anyone know an outfit that makes lexan windows for my application?

any thoughts or ideas are much appreciated!
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only a lexan windshield is legal in stock class i believe
Old 06-27-2010, 11:45 PM
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close the face shield on your helmet. that works well for me (issues with contact lenses otherwise)

Lexan windows are not legal in stock class in PCA club racing
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Originally Posted by Steward B.
Lexan windows are not legal in stock class in PCA club racing
Why? If Lexan windshields are legal, why aren't Lexan windows? Just curious...
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Lexan windows have been an issue in PCA even in the GTC and GT classes, you don't want to go there... Many differing opinions...
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lexan windshields are legal because the guy who first wrote the rules had one - or at least that's the rumor
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Originally Posted by Astroman
Why? If Lexan windshields are legal, why aren't Lexan windows? Just curious...
Reason I got was a properly mounted plastic windscreen increases safety but a closed and unbreakable side window might make it harder to extract a driver thus decreasing safety. Porsche cars that had factory side plastic are granted a waver IIRC.

+1 on close your visor.
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Don't forget that Lexan windshields like remote reservoir adjustable shocks were factory options
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Originally Posted by Sean F
Don't forget that Lexan windshields like remote reservoir adjustable shocks were factory options
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For all you comedians out there, the reason lexan windshields were originally allowed in stock class was safety, not because the rules chair already had one, as the rules chair in place at that time did not race.

lexan windows aren't necessarily any more safe than glass ones, especially if the glass ones aren't up.

This racer is proposing that he be allowed to run windows up. It doesn't matter whether the windows are lexan or glass if they are going to be up, at least in terms of competitive balance, since inherently a car running with its windows up will be more aerodynamic and have an advantage.

with that said, the reason most sanctioning bodies require windows to be down is for extracation, if there is a wreck and the car is on fire. And, yes, PCA club racing allows windows in factory cup cars, because they were delivered that way. Frankly, most cornerworkers and EV crews aren't wild about dealing with a lexan factory installed window if the car wrecks and is on fire.

With regard to remote reservoir shocks, the current rules committee would not have allowed those, if the members had been presented with a proposal for that change and frankly, it was a mistake allowing them in stock class. With that said, to now "outlaw" them would result in a number of racers having to remove them or move up a class. The rules committee does not want to make any change to the rules that result in a significant expense to racers just to stay competitive.
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Regarding the comment of keeping expenses down. do you think they could implement an "actual" hp to wght ratio? That is the only reason I am not interested in racing pca. way to expensive to build the engines allowed in GT class. A dyno at the track would bring another level of compliance check and it seems to work really well at other venues.
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Originally Posted by bobt993
A dyno at the track would bring another level of compliance check and it seems to work really well at other venues.
You don't read the NASA forums, do you?
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Bryan send me linky I have been dynod at events and so has wong with fair racing what is the newest bitch fest?
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I love the non-informative answers "you don't want to go there... Many differing opinions..." and "You don't read the NASA forums, do you"

How about replying with some actual information?


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