Pagid yellows and PF 01 comparison
06-13-2010, 08:46 AM
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Pagids are easier on rotors and better with heat transfer. The pad does not have "initial bit" feel to it. Yellows will improve pedal feel if your overbraking and want to improve your trailing.
06-13-2010, 11:50 AM
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I have great interest in the coments on this thread. I currently use RS29 Yellows and I got 3 DE days out of the fronts. All days were at Sebring and I braked later, trailed a little more. I usually get 5 days out of the fronts. I have used PF97's before and notice the intial bite difference was huge compared to Yellows. I'd like to try PF01's but that might be later in the year after I wear out my Yellow rears.
06-13-2010, 04:06 PM
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Interesting topic that I will follow. Has received three proposals on the brake pads.
Performance Friction 01
Pagid Yellow
Pagid Orange
Have Texstar (OEM) brake pads mounted on the car. Was about to buy Pagid or Performance Friction last season, but thought I would give the pads that sat on the car a chance. They were pretty good, but eventually became glazed. Was forced to move the braking points further and further back to reduce speed. It convinced me that I need better brake pads. Unfortunately, I also got air in the system. The brake pedal did not feel like butt even though it was brand new ATE Racing Blue brake fluid. Read a post in another thread on the forum that Castrol SRF was better in that regard. I find it hard to understand how it is.
Read this thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...and-tires.html
And this one:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...gid-sport.html
Performance Friction 01
Pagid Yellow
Pagid Orange
Have Texstar (OEM) brake pads mounted on the car. Was about to buy Pagid or Performance Friction last season, but thought I would give the pads that sat on the car a chance. They were pretty good, but eventually became glazed. Was forced to move the braking points further and further back to reduce speed. It convinced me that I need better brake pads. Unfortunately, I also got air in the system. The brake pedal did not feel like butt even though it was brand new ATE Racing Blue brake fluid. Read a post in another thread on the forum that Castrol SRF was better in that regard. I find it hard to understand how it is.
Read this thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...and-tires.html
And this one:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...gid-sport.html
06-13-2010, 04:34 PM
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Spoke to Mark F about this the other day. I 'd really like to get away from paying around $290 per set/axle w/ RS 29s but w/ the stock 964 calipers I think I'll prob stick w/ them for a while for the lowerr temps. Although....I ran RS 14s for a while w/ no temp probs and they are around $60 less per set. Might try them again w/ better brake fluid than ATE.
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06-13-2010, 07:40 PM
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Jim, ask Larry and Chris C. Both prefer the Pagids, either black or yellow. The PFC build up a lot of heat and if your racing hard will cause a major oh sh&* moment at least once in 30min race. Forget about PFCs in an enduro. Yellows and Blacks are much better on rotor wear. My best lap at Summit was on a fresh of Yellow having never run them before. It took two laps to adjust my braking zones/pressure, but after that I preferred them hands down.
06-13-2010, 09:18 PM
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Larry:
I have found over the years that one big benefit of the RS19 and RS29 Yellows is that they are way better than other pads at not transferring as much heat to the calipers. They are also easier on the rotors. There are some fast drivers here who swear by them. I like them because even in a 45 min sprint, not even a hint of fade, in a Spec Boxster (Let the "that's a Porsche with a skirt" comments begin).
PFCs will tighten your belts more with the bite they provide. Going to run the PFC 01 next race in my car to get a baseline for comparison.
I have found over the years that one big benefit of the RS19 and RS29 Yellows is that they are way better than other pads at not transferring as much heat to the calipers. They are also easier on the rotors. There are some fast drivers here who swear by them. I like them because even in a 45 min sprint, not even a hint of fade, in a Spec Boxster (Let the "that's a Porsche with a skirt" comments begin).
PFCs will tighten your belts more with the bite they provide. Going to run the PFC 01 next race in my car to get a baseline for comparison.
06-13-2010, 09:28 PM
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Agree with everything that Mark said. Except the skirt comment. 
Larry:
I have found over the years that one big benefit of the RS19 and RS29 Yellows is that they are way better than other pads at not transferring as much heat to the calipers. They are also easier on the rotors. There are some fast drivers here who swear by them. I like them because even in a 45 min sprint, not even a hint of fade, in a Spec Boxster (Let the "that's a Porsche with a skirt" comments begin).
PFCs will tighten your belts more with the bite they provide. Going to run the PFC 01 next race in my car to get a baseline for comparison.
I have found over the years that one big benefit of the RS19 and RS29 Yellows is that they are way better than other pads at not transferring as much heat to the calipers. They are also easier on the rotors. There are some fast drivers here who swear by them. I like them because even in a 45 min sprint, not even a hint of fade, in a Spec Boxster (Let the "that's a Porsche with a skirt" comments begin).
PFCs will tighten your belts more with the bite they provide. Going to run the PFC 01 next race in my car to get a baseline for comparison.
06-13-2010, 11:36 PM
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I have been using Pagid yellows up front with Pagid blacks on the rears for 3 years now. I love them. The reason I am asking is my budget has shrunk and thought if the PF 01's were cheaper but equal, that could work in my favor. If the performance and longevity are not there then I'll continue with the Pagids. I certainly don't want any "oh sh*t" moments. Between the Pagids and SRF, I have had flawless brake performance.
06-14-2010, 10:42 AM
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I have great interest in the coments on this thread. I currently use RS29 Yellows and I got 3 DE days out of the fronts. All days were at Sebring and I braked later, trailed a little more. I usually get 5 days out of the fronts. I have used PF97's before and notice the intial bite difference was huge compared to Yellows. I'd like to try PF01's but that might be later in the year after I wear out my Yellow rears.
06-14-2010, 03:01 PM
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Wow dude that's some serious braking if you only got 3 days from rs29 yellows when many people are running endures on them. I put a full 3 day event at vir on some and they didn't even look like they had been used other than changing color to white. Put a couple weekends at barber and CMP and one at road atlanta too. I dont like the pads but they sure last forever. I like more bite so I can use less pedal.
I wonder if I did not bed them in good this time....wonder if this has anything to do with pad wear?
06-14-2010, 07:19 PM
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I used the Pagid RS 19 and PFC 97 on my 78 SC which weighed about 2300 lbs with me in it. I found the Pagids to have a more pronounced initial bite while the PFC required more initial break effort. They were both very easy to modulate. I found no difference in rotor wear between the two pads over the course of 2 seasons.