Larry Herman

Too bad you won't be there to collect.

ltc

I can't follow your self contradiction.

"If ever car that he's been in has gotten better while he was in it" (presumably based on the assumption that he is the best development driver on the grid)
then how can his car be "decreasingly potent" ?

Surely, Luca and Ferrari have given him # 1 status within the team and disposal to everything that Ferrari has to offer, in addition to the opinion that the FIA will always side/assist with Ferrari.

So, how do you explain this contradiction?

Flying Finn

-In 2007 Renault finished 4rd in the Manufacturer's Championship with Kovalainen & Fisichella in 7th & 8th respectively.
NOTE: Renault officially finished 3rd because of the points were taken out from McLaren.
-In 2008 Renault also finished 4th with Alonso & JR. in 5th & 12th respectively.
-In 2009 Renault finished 8th with Alonso & JR. in 9th & 21st (only two teams behind were Force India and Toro Rosso...)

Yeah, Alonso really took a miserable team and turned into a competitive team... If going from 4th to 8th means that.

And things really seem to be improving at Ferrari as the season is progressing...

A.Wayne

You and I had no such bet .... please enlighten me . out bets were around Schumacher !.

1. He would not win the WDC .. you picked schumacher !
2. He would win no races this year
2. he would finish 5th and worst in the WDC


I notice you now have amnesia regarding this , but go ahead show me our bet with Hamilton .

A.Wayne

Don't look now Larry ......... are you sure !





Still hurting over Kimi huh ! .. what fired from F1 ..........

wanna911

Oh come on now, a little common sense should preside over the sake of argument.

#1 The season isn't over yet. What team/driver doesn't have ups and downs over the course of a season? It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

#2 Ferrari hasn't done much to improve the car while everyone else is working frantically.

#3 This is Ferrari, who have some ********* of their own, so maybe they don't take as much input from the drivers, where Renault would do whatever he said.

#4 Even if the car doesn't get any better this year. It's STILL pretty much 8 seasons where this has been the case vs 1 season where it wouldn't have been.

Who wouldn't take those odds? Is Schumacher remembered for the 8 (soon to be 9) WDC's he DIDN'T win, or the 7 that he did?

Larry Herman

Oh, I welcome the opportunity, trust me.

multi21

Wayne,

Are you backing out of a bet again? After your shift is over at White Castle, go back to your house and check your facts. We've had a running bet the last two years.

Because of your underhanded ways, I put my pick in '09 in moderator escrow WAY before your pick. As it turns out, we both failed miserably thinking FA would win.

In 2010, your pick for WDC was FA again. I never picked MS for the WDC. I picked Hamilton and it's on here in the RL forum somewhere prior to the start of the season. For 2011, ltc should lock up everyones pick at the top. When I get time I'll find it and bring it to your attention.

A.Wayne

Show me the Hamilton Bet Pete , I'm sure it is in print, if it is as you say

A.Wayne

ahhhh Pete still waiting , where is this bet !!!!


In the time being , some evaluation :


Ohh Really ... Hmmmm!!!!.............



2010 FORMULA 1 CHINESE GRAND PRIX
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 56 1:46:42.163 5 25
2 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 56 +1.5 secs 6 18
3 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 56 +9.4 secs



2010 FORMULA 1 TURKISH GRAND PRIX
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 58 1:28:47.620 2 25
2 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 58 +2.6 secs 4 18
3 6 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 58 +24.2 secs 1 15
4 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 58 +31.1 secs 5 12
5 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 58 +32.2 secs 6 10



Yes Schumacher has brought the team forward ... LOL.........

enduro911

Schumacher hasn't brought the team any closer to the front of the grid, but he's defintely closed the gap on Rosberg. I expect Rosberg to beat MS with less and less consistency until it rarely happens. Schumacher's poor start to the season is to be expected. I'd say look for Mercedes to give up hopes on this year's car fairly soon. They've got to know that Red Bull and possibly Mclaren are going to run away with this. Hopefully MS will be back to normal and ready to drive a more competitive car next year.

Anyone want to guess as to how many more mistakes Alonso will make this year?

multi21

I fail to see how you reach the conclusion that MS hasn't brought Mercedes closer to the front of the grid. Is MB still 30 seconds behind the Red Bulls? The answer is yes. But, they have leap frogged Ferrari and are now the 3rd quickest on the grid after only their 5th or 6th race this year.

Canada will be their 8th race and I'm hoping for the gap to RB and McLaren to close up more, but make no mistake, the experience and technical feedback a driver of his caliber, coupled with Ross Brawn at the helm cannot be matched anywhere else on the grid.

A.Wayne

The team is further from the front with MS input than before.... MS is not Yet ahead of Rosberg, take a look at the avg and how much of his gain on Rosberg is from Brawn assistance (if Brawn had pitted Rosberg first in Turkey, he would have shot in front of schumacher) and even after such Both drivers finished nose to tail in turkey, there is no clear Schumacher advantage yet.....


Pete found your glasses or that bet yet !

multi21

There is no comparison of how MS drove in the first few races and now. He seems to be extracting the most of what the car will do and the fact that Rosberg cannot beat him (although is close) vs. how the season started is saying something.

Wayne, I don't have the time to go back to threads 3 months ago, however, the bet still stands, that is is you still have faith in Alonso. Bottle of Patron, you have WDC going to Alonso, I've got it going to Hamilton. What do you say?

A.Wayne

You are not allowed to pick Hamilton, Remember ?

Well not after your 2008 WDC outburst and the fact that you were working with Scotland yard in an attempt to get both Hamilton and Timo Glock prosecuted........




I have you Picking Schumacher in the first thread where we were all giving our WDC pick . I think your exact quote was :

F it ! Schumacher for heevar !!!! So we already have an Alonso vs Schumacher pick !!!!