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Old 12-14-2009, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by djb_rh
It would appear that Horst Farnbacher pulled out of this whole deal months ago. That probably left Greg with no more Porsche tie, hence the need to look around for further options, which was to be BMW. The Koni car was easy to setup, so they announced that, but were still working on the GT announcement when things went boom.
Yeah, it's all starting to make a little sense now. The initial Koni BMW announcement seemed weird to begin with, especially with all of the other BMW teams running E92 M3's last season and this coming season choosing to build their own cars rather than purchase the GT4 M3's from BMW.
Old 12-14-2009, 11:57 AM
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the over-the top entry of Lolis into this thing of ours was doomed from the getgo. The allowance, mezmorizing display of expectation from track participants was typical absurdity to the n'th degree. Many (not all) of the "members" of the absurdity displayed an unjustified attitude that remains unearned. It surprises me that some continue to pontificate this ragtag operation that was successful by using so many people's life savings as their doormat. Hard work came for just a few of the many who rode the wave of this ego maniac..........I remain convinced that his attempt at ending it all was as much a farce as he and his operation displayed............It is unjust to perpetuate any post op on how they should survive.........the poor souls who have lost their life savings cannot!! end the sorrow for the workers and begin the sadness for the so many more that we haven't heard of yet but will.
Interesting use of words.
Old 12-14-2009, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by djb_rh
It would appear that Horst Farnbacher pulled out of this whole deal months ago. That probably left Greg with no more Porsche tie, hence the need to look around for further options, which was to be BMW.
Greg still had, and could get cup cars no problem, and a lot cheaper than the BMW. But the writing was on the wall in Rolex GT - a tube frame car just has a lot more potential for speed, and Porsche did not want to make, or condone a tube frame 911. So a tube-frame BMW was an obvious choice, and though it cost more to build, it would not cost more to run due to a lot of more economical parts.
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Originally Posted by analogmike
a tube frame car just has a lot more potential for speed, and Porsche did not want to make, or condone a tube frame 911. So a tube-frame BMW was an obvious choice, and though it cost more to build, it would not cost more to run due to a lot of more economical parts.
What does Porsche have to do with it? Seems that if someone wanted to build a tube frame car and put a Porsche sell on it and motor in it, they could do it. BMW hasn't had anything to do with the tube frame M6's running in Grand-Am GT as far as I'm aware.
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Originally Posted by Bryan Watts
What does Porsche have to do with it? Seems that if someone wanted to build a tube frame car and put a Porsche sell on it and motor in it, they could do it. BMW hasn't had anything to do with the tube frame M6's running in Grand-Am GT as far as I'm aware.
Porsche has a lot to do with it when you have factory drivers and factory support on the RSRs (and cups). You build a tube frame 911 and bye bye to the support.
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Originally Posted by analogmike
Porsche has a lot to do with it when you have factory drivers and factory support on the RSRs (and cups). You build a tube frame 911 and bye bye to the support.
Got ya, I understand it from that standpoint. BMW can't get it's head out of it's own **** when it comes to supporting racers.
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Originally Posted by analogmike
How can they sue for $1 mil when the cars don't exist???? Stupid lawyers....
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If P&M continued to work on the cars after a $200,000 check bounced, they deserve anything that happens afterwards.
Disagree. This is pretty basic contract law, P&M did everything right if what the article/complaint said is true.
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Jason,

Your car is looking verrrrry studly..!! Nice..!
+1 - Jason's car is really well done
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Originally Posted by JClark
Disagree. This is pretty basic contract law, P&M did everything right if what the article/complaint said is true.
Still have to prove their actual loss.
Old 12-14-2009, 10:34 PM
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St. Barbara’s wins GT Championship, other International Awards

Murphy the Bear has learned that St. Barbara’s Greek Orthodox Church in Orange, Connecticut is the first religious institution to win a national racing championship. St. Barbara’s was honored today at the annual Porsche bun fight, known as “The Night of Champions,” at the Porsche Museum in the Zuffenhausen district of Stuttgart. Dr. Wolfgang Porsche himself presented the award.

We last heard from Dr. Porsche in May, when he declared, “Porsche AG will not be sold to Volkswagen.” At the time Wolfgang Porsche voiced support for a plan proposed by Porsche Chairman Wendelin Wiedeking in which Porsche and VW would be merged under a new holding company that Wiedeking would then run. That didn’t turn out so well.

According to today’s press release from Porsche AG, Dirk Werner (Germany), 2009 co-champion driver of the Rolex Grand-Am GT Farnbacher Loles Porsche 911 GT3 Cup car, has won the coveted Porsche Cup for the world’s most successful driver of privately-entered race cars. (There appears to be no separate award category for church-entered race cars. St. Barbara’s contributed over $1.5 million to Farnbacher Loles racing program in 2009.) In addition to the challenge cup, the German also received a Porsche 911 GT3 worth around 120,000 Euro ($176,400).

Over the course of this season, Dirk Werner won the drivers’ classification in the Grand-Am Series with Leh Keen at the wheel of the #87 Farnbacher Loles Racing 911 GT3 Cup. Thanks to their four victories, Porsche took home the manufacturers’ title, with Farnbacher Loles Racing claiming team honors.

The Bear can only conclude that the church, cognizant of the privacy of its members, asked it not be named at the ceremony. Murphy believes the trophy will be sent to Connecticut, however, along with the trophy for the Grand Am team championship. A trophy case will be built in the church’s narthex.
St. Barbara’s had planned an expansion with about $1.5 million raised so far, but decided instead to go racing with the money. “That’s a lot more fun than a new building,” said a member who requested anonymity. “We’ve got just enough left to build a case for our trophies, so it turned out well. You can’t doubt the value of such an achievement. We’re looking at moving up to NASCAR’s Truck Series next.”

Some at the church wonder if they’ll get title to the new Porsche won by Farnbacher Loles driver Dirk Werner. “We’re looking into that,” said a spokesperson, “but since Dirk won by racing on other teams, too, the may be his to keep. Besides, we’re aware we might be in line behind others for that.”

That last is a reference, the Bear thinks, to Pratt & Miller Engineering and Fabrication, Inc. who filed suit this past Tuesday in Michigan’s Eastern District Court against Farnbacher Loles Motorsports, LLC, Farnbacher Loles Racing, LLC, and Gregory Loles. (Case No. 2:2008cv14784) (Murphy previously reported that the Michigan constructor was building a tube-frame-based BMW for Mr. Loles; he doesn’t know if St. Barbara’s was a contributor to that plan for the 2010 Grand Am GT racing season.)
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"Your car is looking verrrrry studly..!! Nice..! "
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Yeah...Think I ate too much during T-giving...

But, thanks!
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Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore
Interesting use of words.
The Jackson Pollock of print.
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Some at the church wonder if they’ll get title to the new Porsche won by Farnbacher Loles driver Dirk Werner. “We’re looking into that,” said a spokesperson, “but since Dirk won by racing on other teams, too, the may be his to keep. Besides, we’re aware we might be in line behind others for that.”
Boy, would this be a real pile of ****. Taking Dirk's car because of what was done by GL. I don't see how the car could be considered property of FL since Dirk was only a part time employee and was earning points/wins/money from other sources as well that earned him the reward from Porsche.


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