Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Ecclestone: Button doesn't deserve to be F1 champ

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-25-2009 | 10:19 PM
  #1  
enduro911's Avatar
enduro911
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 627
Likes: 13
From: CA
Default Ecclestone: Button doesn't deserve to be F1 champ

Tamara Ecclestone daughter of F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone, launches a scathing attack on Brawn GP's newly-crowned 2009 F1 World Champion Jenson Button

Jenson Button is a less deserving F1 World Champion than compatriot Lewis Hamilton and only lifted the laurels this year because he had a superior car – that is the controversial view of Tamara Ecclestone, the socialite daughter of the sport's influential commercial rights-holder Bernie Ecclestone.

The British star clinched the drivers' crown in 2009 at the end of his tenth campaign at the highest level, and his success was largely secured off the back of an incredible run of six victories from the first seven outings, as the Mercedes-powered Brawn GP BGP 001 came out of the starting blocks in better shape than any of its rivals and Button and team-mate Rubens Barrichello eased to a comfortable one-two in the Australian Grand Prix curtain-raiser in Melbourne – only weeks after the ex-Honda F1 operation had looked to be down-and-out without a hope of salvation.

However, since his last triumph in the Turkish Grand Prix in Istanbul in early June, Button has not mounted the top step of the rostrum again – and indeed has ascended it at all just twice, finishing as runner-up to Barrichello at Monza and third behind the Red Bull Racing pairing of Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber in the Abu Dhabi finale earlier this month.

After months of looking as though he was on the verge of throwing it all away following a string of lacklustre performances, the 29-year-old finally sealed the deal courtesy of a fifth-place finish in the Brazilian Grand Prix at Interlagos – and the eldest daughter of Formula One Management (FOM) chief executive Ecclestone contends that such a manner of attaining the title is not befitting of a world champion.

I don't think Jenson Button deserves to be the F1 World Champion,” the 25-year-old told British newspaper the Daily Mail. “He has been in it such a long time and never really came close to winning a championship. Suddenly the car is good and he's won the championship. He only won six races, and they were all at the beginning of the season.

“If they'd all had the same car, then Jenson Button definitely wouldn't have won this season. Lewis Hamilton is a better driver and he's a nicer person.”

That last remark is believed to allude to an interview that the part-time model and Sky Sports TV presenter conducted with Button earlier this year.

“He was just answering his 'phone in the middle of the interview and I was like, 'Dude, I'm sitting here, what are you doing?'” she explained.



Apparently everybody gets an opinion, but some get to express it more publicly than a car forum. Anyone know if she knows anything?
Old 11-25-2009 | 10:44 PM
  #2  
wanna911's Avatar
wanna911
Race Car
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,728
Likes: 2
From: With A Manual Transmission
Default

No idea, but I agree.
Old 11-25-2009 | 11:05 PM
  #3  
DanR's Avatar
DanR
Drifting
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,464
Likes: 0
Default

Is this the same Tamara Ecclestone that was working as an F1 presenter and said she deserved the job through her 'talent' and it had nothing to do with who her farther is now she is a judge and jury
Old 11-25-2009 | 11:10 PM
  #4  
Veloce Raptor's Avatar
Veloce Raptor
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 41,906
Likes: 1,753
From: All Ate Up With Motor
Default

Like her frikking opinion matters.

Button won because HE HAD THE MOST POINTS. Jesus H. Jones, HOW ****ING HARD IS THIS FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND?????






Professional Racing and Driving Coach
Old 11-25-2009 | 11:43 PM
  #5  
Land Jet's Avatar
Land Jet
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,210
Likes: 3
From: Maryland
Default

I agree with her. If all the cars would have had the same diffuser from the start of the season, Button would not have gotten the most points nor won the championship. I still say he is the Danika Patrick of F1.
Old 11-25-2009 | 11:57 PM
  #6  
Larry Herman's Avatar
Larry Herman
Rennlist
Basic Site Sponsor
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 10,432
Likes: 2
From: Columbus, NJ
Default

Originally Posted by Land Jet
I still say he is the Danika Patrick of F1.
Have to see him in a swim suit first.
__________________
Larry Herman
2016 Ford Transit Connect Titanium LWB
2018 Tesla Model 3 - Electricity can be fun!
Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
Past Flames:
1994 RS America Club Racer
2004 GT3 Track Car
1984 911 Carrera Club Racer
1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car

CLICK HERE to see some of my ancient racing videos.

Old 11-26-2009 | 12:06 AM
  #7  
Land Jet's Avatar
Land Jet
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,210
Likes: 3
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Have to see him in a swim suit first.
Ha, you got me there. That's the only thing Danika excels at, IMO.
Old 11-26-2009 | 07:11 AM
  #8  
enduro911's Avatar
enduro911
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 627
Likes: 13
From: CA
Default

"Dissenting opinion" from Justice Lauda (courtesy of www.formula1.com )

Exclusive Q&A - Lauda on Button, Mercedes, Schumacher and more
Three-time world champion Niki Lauda always has a keen eye for what's going on in Formula One racing. He is full of praise for Ross Brawn and his achievements - and for Mercedes’ decision to take a majority stake in the Brackley team. And yes, Jenson Button is a worthy world champion - simply because he's the champion. Lauda knows what he is talking about: half a point made all the difference to his third title in 1984…

Q: Niki, let’s start with the 2009 drivers’ championship. Jenson Button clinched the 60th title in Formula One history, but some questioned whether the ‘right’ guy won, citing his relatively lacklustre midseason spell. What is the opinion of a three-time world champion?
Niki Lauda: Worthy or unworthy is the wrong approach. A world champion is a world champion. You might argue about the manner in which he won, but history has shown that in some years you have guys who win everything, and then you have guys - and I count myself among these - who win with a half point lead in the last race. There are many ways to win a championship. He put in a good season: starting very strong at the beginning to forge ahead and then keeping the lead through difficult times of constantly losing points, but still staying in front. Yes, the 60th Formula One world champion is a worthy champion.

Q: Would you say the second half of the season proved Button’s strategic prowess, or was it simply the nail-biting scenario his critics would like to suggest?
NL: He was ‘nail biting’ himself to the title - at least from the outside. It is hard to say why he was losing out to Rubens (Barrichello) - someone running on the same equipment - in the second half of the season. In the end it’s a pointless discussion because he was not the only one running on a bumpy performance curve: Sebastian (Vettel) also had his share of poor results. In that scenario of ups and downs, Jenson was able to keep enough points to maintain his lead - that’s why he ended up as champion and not somebody else.

Q: Brawn GP were one of the three teams that introduced the double diffuser at the beginning of the season, leaving others to play catch-up for the first couple of months. How crucial was that to Brawn taking both titles?
NL: You can argue back and forth about Jenson, but one thing is undeniable: what Ross (Brawn) formed out of the bankrupt Honda estate, in a cloak-and-dagger operation, to dominate all the ‘big boys’ in the paddock, was truly phenomenal. That has never happened before in Formula One. That is the real sensation of the season and their winning the constructors’ championship is highly deserved.

Q: Other teams had to swallow the bitter pill of their parent company pulling out of Formula One racing. What do you see as the main reasons for BMW’s and Toyota’s withdrawal?
NL: I see commercial reasons behind these decisions. The global car sales have suffered, and as Formula One is part of the companies’ marketing concepts - and marketing costs have been severely downgraded - in the case of BMW and Toyota it meant the withdrawal from F1. Probably this year’s performance was just the last straw.

Q: What else springs to mind when you reflect on the 2009 season?
NL: Insane KERS was introduced, and all the big teams - Ferrari, McLaren, Renault and especially BMW - jumped on it in the hope that when pushing the button, three-tenths (of a second per lap) would be the gain. From the very beginning that gain seemed too little in my view, because three-tenths was the ideal scenario - when the car was perfectly balanced and set-up. Instead, what became clear almost from the first test was a situation where all the KERS followers faced weight distribution issues causing aerodynamic problems. It was as though that massive technical armament meant they couldn’t see the track any more. That is why the Brawns and the Red Bulls dominated - because they gave KERS the cold shoulder and concentrated on racing. The first team to bounce back was McLaren-Mercedes in mid-season. They then won two races, but didn’t play any role whatsoever in the hunt for the championship. If you think about that, this madness of KERS being abolished in 2010 is a shame for all the money invested.

Q: Two of your long-time companions in the paddock vanished in the course of the season: Ron Dennis and Flavio Briatore. Do you miss them?
NL: ‘Long-time companion’ is over-egging the pudding a bit. I once drove for Ron and won a championship with him and Flavio I know only on a personal level. Their departure from the paddock had completely different reasons: Ron was fined a $100 million penalty due to copyright violations - is that the politically correct term? Flavio had to go because of that Singapore incident. And that incident was one of the worst things that can happen in racing. Does their departure serve them right? Well, Ron played it too hard with (former FIA President) Max Mosley and what Flavio is accused of was a real stab against the sport - Singapore clearly was one step too far. Formula One folks have always been sort of frontier runners, but both Ron and Flavio exaggerated things and have been punished for it. It’s that simple.

Q: While two car manufacturers pulled out, another - Mercedes - invested heavily by taking over Brawn GP to form Mercedes GP. If it didn’t work for BMW and Toyota, how can it work so much better for Mercedes?
NL: Well, Mercedes made a very smart move by acquiring a majority stake in Brawn GP, to follow the concept of cost cutting that (former FIA President) Max (Mosley) had begun: to run a team with a reduced budget of $100 million per year by 2011. Brawn GP is the team already fit for that kind of financial downgrade, whereas many others will have a hard 2010 season being competitive on the track and simultaneously working their way down on the economic side. By reviving the real Mercedes ‘Silver Arrows’ - which means an excellent marketing tool for the car manufacturer - Mercedes stays involved with F1 at a very reasonable cost-benefit ratio. Never forget, they’ve got the world championship team!

Q: Nico Rosberg has been confirmed as the team’s first driver. Rampant speculation surrounds the second seat: could Michael Schumacher really switch from red to silver, or will Nick Heidfeld get it, or perhaps even ‘Iceman’ Kimi Raikkonen?
NL: The takeover of Brawn GP was a masterly achievement. Now it is important to proceed in this same manner by having a very close look at the important issue of the driver line-up. With the Button departure, Rosberg is at the moment their only driver - a good man for sure, but good men get even better with a team mate that gives them a hard time 24 hours a day. That is positive, performance and development-wise. They have to be very careful now in their selection, trying to get a top man for the second cockpit. Otherwise the advantage will be on Red Bull’s and Vettel’s side - and they might find themselves riding on Red Bull's coat tails.

Q: And the Schumacher rumours?
NL: I don’t believe that there is one single grain of truth in them, at least from all the signals that I get.
There was a window of opportunity after Felipe’s (Massa’s) accident and had Michael been fit he would have taken up that chance to race for three or four races - to prove himself, get the adrenaline rush, and see where he stood in the pecking order. But I cannot believe that he would be up for a full season. Why then he did stop racing in the first place? But that is my personal opinion.

Q: Were you surprised by Jenson’s switch to McLaren?
NL: Not really. That was a true ‘Ron Dennis’ move - to run a team with two British world champions. On the other hand, I am sure that Ross (Brawn) was not completely satisfied with Jenson’s performance in the second half of the season. But if Mercedes ends up with someone not as good as Jenson, then they’ve drawn the short straw. I would not have an idea who they should take.

Q: Ross Brawn and Mercedes. How do you see this relationship working? Who’s wearing the trousers?
NL: Ross Brawn and the team. Mercedes will sit on the board and be part of the decision-making process. And to use your term who is wearing the trousers - always those who delivered the success. Anything else would not make sense.

Q: Taking a glimpse ahead into 2010, when you look at the driver line-ups who do you think promises the best performance: Alonso and Massa, Hamilton and Button, Vettel and Webber - or Rosberg and whoever?
NL: Ferrari’s pairing of Alonso/Massa and McLaren with their two British champions will be very, very competitive. We have also seen how Vettel and Webber egg each other on to top performances, so the ‘Silver Arrows’ will be confronted with competitors with top driver line-ups. In my opinion all the top drivers are already signed.

Q: Never in modern Formula One history have there been so many new teams in the making. Do you expect them all to show up in Bahrain?
NL: First of all there is what you might call the Sauber team - the leftovers of BMW Sauber. They have facilities, people and an investor willing to bankroll them, and yet it is not clear if they will get a (2010 grid) slot. On the other hand you have four teams that are difficult to judge. For me the most doubtful case is this American team. They seem to be nowhere. Campos seems to have the basics - at least their car was homologated by the FIA some days ago, which is a big step ahead of all the others. I have no idea where Lotus and Manor are. Fact is that they all applied for a slot because of the budget cap already in place for 2010. Now we know that this is postponed by one year and that might be a stumbling block for one or the other. The winter will show what is cooking.

Q: November’s Abu Dhabi Grand Prix saw the last refuelling stop in Formula One racing. Running with full tanks is one of the biggest new challenges for the teams to come to terms with next season. A good idea?
NL: It is a good idea because it saves costs. On the other hand we had some attractive scenes surrounding refuelling. Just remember the little barbeque scene in Sao Paulo when Heikki Kovalainen was released from the pits with the fuel hose still on the car. But the refuelling ban is a real challenge, as the teams have to come to terms with cars that start the race with double the fuel load that they have now - some 170 or 180 kilos instead of the 80-something they have now. To find the right balance for the car will be an interesting task - and it will also be a new experience for the drivers. I remember very well how it was running with a fully loaded tank. Teams and drivers will have to set new criteria in how they strategically approach each race.
Old 11-26-2009 | 08:15 AM
  #9  
ltc's Avatar
ltc
Super Moderator
Needs More Cowbell

Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 29,323
Likes: 11
Default

Wait, I'm sorry...are we talking about Tamara Ecclestone or Sir A.Wayne complaining that Button isn't a proper F1 Champion?

Come to think of it, you NEVER see them both at the same place at the same time...oh never mind, couldn't be.
Old 11-26-2009 | 09:25 AM
  #10  
Chaos's Avatar
Chaos
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 12,706
Likes: 267
From: Columbus
Default

If he pounded her a few times she would feel differently about him.
Old 11-26-2009 | 09:29 AM
  #11  
mhm993's Avatar
mhm993
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,872
Likes: 222
From: Schattenbaum/MNY Regions
Default

I propose that Bernie and Tamara dress as storm troopers, so Max Mosely could pound salt up their butts. The whole lot of them are flagrant disgraces. (Yes, I know Max is gone)

Button is champ. Brawn's guy got more points. That's the way it is, even if it's because the team excelled with a better car early on. If winning later in the season when everyone's car is better prepared is more important, or consistency is more important, well F1 rules don't address that (unlike those "%**@$$excellent" rules in NASCAR??!)

Last edited by mhm993; 11-26-2009 at 11:45 AM.
Old 11-26-2009 | 09:54 AM
  #12  
RSA333's Avatar
RSA333
Racer
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 478
Likes: 0
Default

"He only won six races". WTF? Even with a great car, driving skill is a requirement, and that's doing pretty well. Since when does anything but points determine the championship? He is World Driving Champion.
Old 11-26-2009 | 12:12 PM
  #13  
multi21's Avatar
multi21
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 17,296
Likes: 3,604
Default

Originally Posted by ltc
Wait, I'm sorry...are we talking about Tamara Ecclestone or Sir A.Wayne complaining that Button isn't a proper F1 Champion?

Come to think of it, you NEVER see them both at the same place at the same time...oh never mind, couldn't be.
Yea, me too. I need visual confirmation that they aren't one in the same.
I've never seen A. Wayne, but in my mind's eye, he is wearing a dark Bob Marley T-shirt, dreadlocks down to the midde of his back with a Rasta hat on top and smoking a joint. Perhaps Flying Finn could comfirm...
Old 11-26-2009 | 01:33 PM
  #14  
chris walrod's Avatar
chris walrod
Guru
Lifetime Rennlist
Member


Rennlist Small
Business Sponsor

 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 15,748
Likes: 102
From: yorba linda, ca
Default

Still have to keep it off the walls to finish races, good for Button but I am confident he wont win another WDC.
Old 11-26-2009 | 02:25 PM
  #15  
A.Wayne's Avatar
A.Wayne
Formula One Spin Doctor
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 20,448
Likes: 0
From: RPM Central
Default

“I don't think Jenson Button deserves to be the F1 World Champion,” the 25-year-old told British newspaper the Daily Mail. “He has been in it such a long time and never really came close to winning a championship. Suddenly the car is good and he's won the championship. He only won six races, and they were all at the beginning of the season.



Seems like she has more understanding of the sport than the Amigos ...

Ohh, tell faux structor the magic word here is "deserving "....


Quick Reply: Ecclestone: Button doesn't deserve to be F1 champ



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 08:01 PM.