Thinking about my first DE
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Agreed -- also awesome 944 race picture there! I don't think I've ever seen so many at once and its like a million cars wide! Very cool!
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BTW... you can vote for this as the best picture from NASA Nationals on Facebook. David Saliba is the photographer.
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Thanks so much for all the replies and advice!
It's great to see such enthusiasm (obsession
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Looking to join the ranks.
Also,
Will one DE destroy my tires? They are relatively new, I believe less than 2 years old per previous owner.
What kind of road rash can I expect after one DE? Though I did buy this thing to DRIVE anyway.
Thanks
It's great to see such enthusiasm (obsession
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Looking to join the ranks.
Also,
Will one DE destroy my tires? They are relatively new, I believe less than 2 years old per previous owner.
What kind of road rash can I expect after one DE? Though I did buy this thing to DRIVE anyway.
Thanks
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1. Dont ever add up what you spend, EVER! Several reasons but mostly--plausible deniability.
2. Get a slush fund that the wife does not know about.
3. Get an alternative address, such as work to ship tires, parts, go fast stuff etc...
4. Take care of the UPS/FedEx guy at Christmas.
5. Every expense that the wife see is for "safety".
6. Hoosiers=Heroin--stay away for DE's.
Proceed with caution......and welcome to the dark side.
2. Get a slush fund that the wife does not know about.
3. Get an alternative address, such as work to ship tires, parts, go fast stuff etc...
4. Take care of the UPS/FedEx guy at Christmas.
5. Every expense that the wife see is for "safety".
6. Hoosiers=Heroin--stay away for DE's.
Proceed with caution......and welcome to the dark side.
Start off as you are, listen to instructors, they know. Leave your car alone for as long as you can stand it and learn to drive it....
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Maybe brake pads, hightemp brake fluid and leave it at that.
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Maybe 2 seats, 6 point belts and a Hans Device... But that's it.
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Will one DE destroy my tires? They are relatively new, I believe less than 2 years old per previous owner.
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Oh, you'll need a trailer and tow vehicle to go to the new, farther away tracks with the Track tires.
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A traqmate is entertaining for youtube and you might also find out where you lose the most time.
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Thanks so much for all the replies and advice!
It's great to see such enthusiasm (obsession
)
Looking to join the ranks.
Also,
Will one DE destroy my tires? They are relatively new, I believe less than 2 years old per previous owner.
What kind of road rash can I expect after one DE? Though I did buy this thing to DRIVE anyway.
Thanks
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It's great to see such enthusiasm (obsession
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Looking to join the ranks.
Also,
Will one DE destroy my tires? They are relatively new, I believe less than 2 years old per previous owner.
What kind of road rash can I expect after one DE? Though I did buy this thing to DRIVE anyway.
Thanks
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As for road rash... seriously tracked cars get it in spades. However Novice DE is not bad. The reason is that novice drivers don't follow as close nor run as sticky tires. Race cars see it bad since we tend to follow each other very close, run sticky tires and the lead guy puts a wheel off in the dirt will kick up debris.
Novice DE is just not like that.
That is the big thing. Novice first time DE really only uses 50-60% of the cars capacity. So wear and tear is very light for track standards as is the risk of something occuring. However once guys get hooked on the track things change and wear increases. When you race wear is the worst since every lap in a race you beat the snot out of the car. Nothing maters except the racing. Plus when any little part goes substandard it gets replaced.
So for now just enjoy the track time. Chances are the car will come home in better condiditon that when you left because these Porsches all tend to run better once you wring them out a bit.
If you get hooked and will be tracking 5+ times a year then things like accelerated tire wear, road rash and risk of a crash go up. Then should start considering options. Most guys that run alot of track days had some form of dedicated track car. These are cars that are not trying to look pretty, but are set-up to run around the track fast and wear/road rash are just part the expectations. Years ago I retired my street 944 Turbo from track duty and started run an old beat cheap 84 944. The idea was not to wear down or beat-up my nice Turbo S. The 84 944 was basicly a junker I turned into a track car then race car. Nice to go to the track with no worries about cosmetic stuff.
Once you get hooked we can talk more about what you should run for a dedicated track car.
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I'll give you my 2 cents on "wear and tear".
Many years from now,as you are lying in your deathbed, you won't mind any "rock chips" or "road rash", yet you'll have a lot of fun memories from the time spent driving that sucker the way it was meant to!
Many years from now,as you are lying in your deathbed, you won't mind any "rock chips" or "road rash", yet you'll have a lot of fun memories from the time spent driving that sucker the way it was meant to!
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Thanks so much for all the replies and advice!
It's great to see such enthusiasm (obsession
)
Looking to join the ranks.
Also,
Will one DE destroy my tires? They are relatively new, I believe less than 2 years old per previous owner.
What kind of road rash can I expect after one DE? Though I did buy this thing to DRIVE anyway.
Thanks
![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
It's great to see such enthusiasm (obsession
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Looking to join the ranks.
Also,
Will one DE destroy my tires? They are relatively new, I believe less than 2 years old per previous owner.
What kind of road rash can I expect after one DE? Though I did buy this thing to DRIVE anyway.
Thanks
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You just found your excuse in having to go do a DE. Most high performance tires start losing their edge after two years. It is time to use these up so that you can go get some new ones.
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Road Rash
It is always nice if you have one of the clear bras to help protect the front paint job. If you do not have the clear bra then you can always do what a lot of people do with new cars to the track and that is cover it in painters tape. Not one of my favorite things to witness but something most of us are quilty of at least once.
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One other thought to add to what everyone else has said. If you can do an autocross before your track day, do it. You'll begin to get an idea of what the limit of traction feels like but at a much lower speed than on the track. I think it's a good idea to slide around a little at a slower speed before doing it on the track. I'm not saying it's a must, but like chicken soup, it couldn't hurt.
That butt-o-meter is just a little more sensitized once you have done some slip-slidin' on a wet course around a few cones.
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You just found your excuse in having to go do a DE. Most high performance tires start losing their edge after two years. It is time to use these up so that you can go get some new ones.![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Road Rash
It is always nice if you have one of the clear bras to help protect the front paint job. If you do not have the clear bra then you can always do what a lot of people do with new cars to the track and that is cover it in painters tape. Not one of my favorite things to witness but something most of us are quilty of at least once.![ooops](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/icon501.gif)
You just found your excuse in having to go do a DE. Most high performance tires start losing their edge after two years. It is time to use these up so that you can go get some new ones.
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Road Rash
It is always nice if you have one of the clear bras to help protect the front paint job. If you do not have the clear bra then you can always do what a lot of people do with new cars to the track and that is cover it in painters tape. Not one of my favorite things to witness but something most of us are quilty of at least once.
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+1. Lonestar Region PCA in Houston does performance driving schools (consider it DE light in an AutoX setting) with wet skid pad, slalom, apexing type drills etc. and we see paeople that attend these events before a DE move-up through the run groups faster (and safer?).
That butt-o-meter is just a little more sensitized once you have done some slip-slidin' on a wet course around a few cones.
JP
That butt-o-meter is just a little more sensitized once you have done some slip-slidin' on a wet course around a few cones.
JP
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