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Old 09-15-2009, 06:33 PM
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More proof that if you attend enough events you'll be an instructor eventually, regardless of skill and/or knowledge.
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Originally Posted by diveganesh
i drive a 996 turbo and at a recent PCA DE event, my instructor (who also drove a 996 turbo) suggested that heel & toe was unnecessary for turbos and he does not do it with his turbo on the track.

do you subscribe to this and for those of you who drive turbos do you heel and toe?

i would like to be able to recount his reasoning but i know i didn't follow it then and can't possibly do any justice to it here, mostly because my knowledge is limited and i have a lot to learn.

i've done a fair amount of looking around for confirmation on this subject, here and elsewhere, haven't had any luck. plenty on heel and toe alone though. there seem to be a good number of instructors here, hoping i can learn something.

your thoughts much appreciated. many thanks.

To be painfully blunt, that is ****ing idiotic. I suspect he is a mediocre driver and/or goes thru clutches at a prodigious rate.

Similar to a guy I know who has owned a succession of Cup cars, and never heel/toe downshifts them (I have ridden in his car).....and then wonders why his annual bill for replacing transmissions was greater than the GNP of Barbados.






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Old 09-15-2009, 09:22 PM
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If you're threshold braking at 100%, unloading the clutch without matching revs should theoretically lock up your driven wheels.

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Old 09-15-2009, 10:42 PM
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Is your instructor in the transmission repair/rebuild business?

Old 09-15-2009, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by WHB Porsche
If you're threshold braking at 100%, unloading the clutch without matching revs should theoretically lock up your driven wheels.
I guess that it is not a problem when you are going slowly.
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
I guess that it is not a problem when you are going slowly.
Failing to rev match a downshift at any speed will unsettle the car, I was just making the point that the "faster" you're going, the more of a problem it becomes.

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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
I guess that it is not a problem when you are going slowly.
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Failing to rev match a downshift at any speed will unsettle the car, I was just making the point that the "faster" you're going, the more of a problem it becomes.

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Oops, my bad. I meant that "going slowly" comment for the OP's instructor, not you. Obviously, the faster you are going, the closer to the edge of grip you are, the more important rev matching is.
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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
To be painfully blunt, that is ****ing idiotic. I suspect he is a mediocre driver and/or goes thru clutches at a prodigious rate.



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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Oops, my bad. I meant that "going slowly" comment for the OP's instructor, not you. Obviously, the faster you are going, the closer to the edge of grip you are, the more important rev matching is.
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