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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2009 Italian GP at Monza?
Kimi
11
24.44%
Fisi
6
13.33%
Hamilton
5
11.11%
Heikki
0
0%
Button
4
8.89%
Rubens
5
11.11%
Vettel
7
15.56%
Webber
2
4.44%
Heidfeld
1
2.22%
Kubica
1
2.22%
Sutil
0
0%
Trulli
1
2.22%
Glock
0
0%
Miss Alonso
1
2.22%
Either one of the Williams drivers
0
0%
Sato
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2.22%
Other
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2009 F1 Italian GP at historic Monza: Preview, Predictions, discussion.

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Old 09-08-2009, 02:27 PM
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Default 2009 F1 Italian GP at historic Monza: Preview, Predictions, discussion.

Monza, 2009: Perhaps the hardest race to call based on what we've seen thusfar this year. The winner could range from a Ferrari to a Force India and anyone in between. Let the poll choices begin after a little preview:

Monza tech file
F1 Grand Prix, GP Italy, Autodromo Nazionale di Monza
The Italian Grand Prix at Monza provides today's Formula One cars with perhaps the most severe test of the year. Nowhere is tougher on the engine or the brakes and the teams have to prepare a special package to cope with the unique challenge of Monza. And while it may look deceptively simple for the drivers, the circuit only gives away its secrets slowly, and the challenge of consistently finding the limit in low downforce configuration demands skill and finesse.


Aerodynamics
Monza is the fastest circuit on the calendar with an average speed of around 250 km/h and demands the development of a one-off aerodynamic package in order to attain competitive top speeds of around 340 km/h. This is often termed an "ultra low downforce" package, but the critical parameter is actually drag, and namely minimising its effects in order to achieve target top speeds. In the wind tunnel, the teams concentrate on ultra-efficient wing designs, which often vary quite significantly up and down the pit-lane. Naturally, these efficient low-drag wings also produce less downforce. The Monza aero package generates approximately 10% to 15% less downforce than the package used at the last race in Spa.


Suspension
Mechanical grip, stability and ride are major set-up parameters in Monza. This is firstly because the low downforce levels place a premium on mechanical grip, secondly because good braking stability is essential as the drivers spend nearly 15% of the lap on the brakes, and thirdly to ensure the drivers can use the kerbs aggressively in the chicanes in order to gain lap time. The set-up compromise must provide the drivers with a good change of direction in the low and medium-speed chicanes, while also ensuring strong traction exiting the slower corners. Equally, it is important to achieve good braking stability in order that the drivers can attack the heavy braking zones with confidence. The engineers will try and run the cars as low as possible for maximum aerodynamic performance. To avoid "touching" at high speeds, when the bottom of the car effectively drags along the ground, we use bump rubbers in the suspension and the car will ‘sit' on these at high speed.

Fernando Alonso explains: "The Ascari chicane is one of the most enjoyable parts of the lap. You need to be aggressive under braking and then very smooth with the steering and throttle application through turns 9 and 10. The key to being quick is to take the straightest possible line, but it's not easy as the car always feels light with such low downforce and wants to oversteer on the exit of turn 8. As with all the chicanes in Monza, carrying good exit speed out of turn 10 is important so you don't come under pressure on the approach to Parabolica."


Brakes
The cars spend nearly 15% of the lap braking, meaning this is an area in which lap-time can be gained. The mechanical set-up will be tweaked to improve the driver's confidence in the car's braking stability, while the braking system itself is accorded special attention. The brakes are worked very hard at Monza, with the highest braking energies of the season, particularly into turn 1 where the drivers experience braking forces that peak at 4.5G. The cars must negotiate four big braking events from over 320 km/h, and special attention is paid to brake cooling to ensure optimum performance for minimal drag penalty.

Fernando explains: "The biggest braking zone of the lap is turn one, which is a very tricky corner as you have to slow the car from over 340 km/h to 60 km/h. It's easy to lock a wheel under braking and run wide which will cost you a lot of lap time. You also need to use the kerbs to straight-line the chicane as much as possible. It is possible to overtake here if you get a good slipstream down the main straight and dive down the inside."


Engine
Monza has always been known as the ultimate test of a Formula One engine. The engines spend 75% of the lap at full throttle, significantly above the season average of 62%. Furthermore, the engine must be capable of operating effectively over a 275 km/h range, from a maximum speed of around 340 km/h on the pit straight to the minimum speed of around 65 km/h in the first chicane. The longest time spent at full throttle is around 15.5 seconds, from the exit of the Parabolica to the braking point at the first chicane. The engine mapping must provide the drivers with good power delivery from low speed, and is also tuned for smooth high-speed response on the exit of corners such as Parabolica.


Reliability
In addition to the challenge of the heavy workload Monza imposes on the engine, the slow chicanes pose challenges for engine reliability. The drivers must use the kerbs aggressively to carry good speed through the corners, but there is a risk of excessive use of the rev limiter when the cars are in the air, and transmission damage when the spinning wheels land. Engine ancillaries must also be monitored to ensure they can withstand the severe demands of a lap at Monza.
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Pete,

Pete, the poll needs to be public..... Additionally, It's worthless when it ends after the race.
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Why does it need to be public? There are two things certain in life and they're not death and taxes. It's Wayne will pick Alonso and Lewis will pick Sato, followed closely by Dez picking Hamilton. Everyone else is open to others.

ltc, with respect to fellow amigo Ray S., will you now make this public and stop the polling on 9/13/09? Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Pete
ltc, with respect to fellow amigo Ray S., will you now make this public and stop the polling on 9/13/09? Thank you.
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Cool, another poll. I'm picking Vettel in this one!
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As I said in the other poll - I am going put a top 5 bet on Fisichella. He is going to be on cloud 9. Completely amped up and ready to show Ferrari that he deserves to be there. After his last showing at Spa - I think he will run fast.

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Barichello has done well here in the past and I'm betting the temperatures will help the Brawn cars out. I pick Barichello.
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Brawn GP brings special aero package to Italy
F1 Grand Prix, GP Italy, Autodromo Nazionale di Monza
The Italian Grand Prix, Round 13 of the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship, will be held this weekend at the Autodromo Nazionale di Monza just outside of Milan and bring Formula One's European season to its conclusion.

One of the most historic and atmospheric circuits on the Formula One calendar, the Autodromo Nazionale di Monza is situated in the royal park at the heart of the town of Monza. The original circuit was built in 1922 and included a banked oval course. Although this has not been used by F1 cars since 1961, it remains as a monument to the iconic races hosted over the years.

The 5.793km Monza circuit is the fastest of the year with four long straights enabling the cars to reach top speeds of 340kph and average lap speeds of 250kph. The emphasis is on engine power and aerodynamic efficiency which require the cars to be set up with a special low downforce aerodynamic package to minimise drag.

Ross Brawn, Team Principal:
What are the technical considerations for the race at Monza this weekend?
"Visiting Monza during the Italian Grand Prix is a very special experience and one not to be missed for motorsport fans. It's one of those classic venues where the grandstands are always packed and the
atmosphere is electric throughout the weekend. From a technical point of view, Monza should be a track where our car will work well although we do expect the KERS cars to have a significant advantage. The BGP 001 is good on both brakes and traction which are important at Monza and we have the benefit of the Mercedes-Benz engine on this power-sensitive circuit. With no in-season testing this year, we have not had the opportunity to test at the circuit prior to the race weekend so it will be interesting to see how quickly everyone can adapt to the unusually low downforce configuration with limited running. The aerodynamic efficiency of the car is crucial so we have a specific package designed to minimise drag levels and achieve the high top speeds required. Good engineering can make a significant difference at Monza so we'll be working hard to get the car set up well to allow our drivers to be aggressive over the kerbs."

Jenson Button:
What are your thoughts ahead of the Italian Grand Prix?
"Monza is a fantastic track and I love the passion that the Italian fans bring to the race weekend. The circuit is very different to most of the circuits that we race on as the car will be set up with the lowest levels of drag and downforce possible to take advantage of the long straights. It always takes a few laps to get used to and as we haven't tested at Monza this season, the practice sessions will be very important. Ascari is probably my favourite part of the track but also Parabolica where the challenge is to brake as late as possible, particularly in qualifying when you're on a quick lap. It's a circuit that should be reasonably good for our car if we get the handling right over the kerbs so we're feeling positive and excited about the challenge."

Rubens Barrichello:
What do you enjoy about visiting Monza?
"There's something very special about Monza and I have always loved racing there throughout my career. The setting in the park, the sound of the Tifosi, the speed of the circuit and the memories from my victories with Ferrari in 2002 and 2004 all make Monza one of the most exciting races of the year. It's the quickest circuit on the calendar and our car has the potential to be strong there. The power of our Mercedes-Benz engine will be really important in maximising speed on the long straights and our car is quite good under braking which you need to be aggressive and ride the kerbs effectively. It's been a season full of surprises so it's impossible to predict what the weekend will bring but I hope that we can have a good one."
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Updated weather forcast: Monza Italy

Friday Practice: Mostly Sunny

Saturday Qualifying: Thunder storms

Sunday Race: Light rain
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Santander and Ferrari announce 5-year partnership
10 September 2009


Ferrari and Spanish bank Santander confirmed at Monza on Thursday that the two parties will be joining forces for five seasons, starting next year. The bank, Spain's largest, will therefore end its partnership with McLaren although there was no mention of the much-rumoured move to the team from Fernando Alonso.





Luca de Montezemolo, President of Ferrari
After first being reported last year, final confirmation and details of the Ferrari-Banco Santander partnership came at Monza on Thursday. The company, owners of British bank Abbey since 2004, will be linked with Ferrari for at least the five seasons between 2010 and 2014, with logos appearing on the cars and driver overalls of the Scuderia.

"We are very happy to have a new partner like Santander, with whom we are beginning a very important and long term collaboration," commented Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo.

"We share common values, such as striving for excellence, a passion for competition, an international approach and, last but by no means least, the colour red. These values will make this a fruitful partnership, noteworthy around the world."




Emilio Botín, Banco Santander Chairman
"I dare say that Santander is today in banking what Ferrari is in Formula One," added Emilio Botín, Chairman of the Spanish group, "an irreplaceable pillar and a symbol of tradition, success and strength. Formula One has turned red-hot."

With Santander having joined McLaren in 2007 (the year of Alonso's arrival at the English outfit) the move by the bank to Ferrari fuels further speculation although no news on a switch from the driver has been released.
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Hamilton leads McLaren 1-2 in first Monza practice
11 September 2009 / Results


World Champion Lewis Hamilton registered the fastest lap time to beat McLaren team-mate Heikki Kovalainen in first practice ahead of the Italian Grand Prix. Adrian Sutil confirmed Force India's pace with third as Giancarlo Fisichella wound up eighth after his first drive in a Ferrari, one place behind championship leader Jenson Button.



Ambient temperatures of 25°C (77°F) provided the Tifosi with pleasant weather conditions at Monza on Friday morning although rain is forecast for Saturday. With figures for the track surface just a few degrees higher, the teams enjoyed near-perfect conditions to start the weekend with.

Hamilton and McLaren controlled proceedings from the outset with a best effort of 1:23.936 at a track on which the Champion has never won. The Englishman's pace saw him ahead of his Finnish team-mate by just under fourth tenths of a second as Adrian Sutil ensured three Mercedes-powered cars finished in the top three places.

Renault, like McLaren and Ferrari, is running KERS this weekend and Fernando Alonso was the French team's leading contender in fourth spot, ahead of the revitalised Nick Heidfeld's BMW which struggled for grip on the exit of the Ascari chicane.

The Italian fans didn't receive the early results they were hoping for, however, with the Ferraris in eighth and tenth positions; Giancarlo Fisichella led the way on his first outing for the Scuderia with 2007 Champion Kimi Räikkönen only two positions further back.

Several drivers - not least Hamilton and Fisichella - found themselves being caught out at Turn 1, the Rettifilo chicane, by running straight on following tyre lock-ups; governing body the FIA has installed new, higher combination kerbs on the apexes of Turns 1, 2, 4 and 5 this year in order to prevent corner-cutting.

Championship leader Jenson Button finished ahead of his closest rivals in seventh as Mark Webber's Red Bull completed the 90-minute period in ninth; their respective team-mates ended up 12th and 18th as the latter, Sebastian Vettel, completed only eight laps in order to conserve his limited supply of engines.

Force India's Vitantonio Liuzzi finished 16th - just off what would be Q2 pace in qualifying - on his first F1 weekend since Brazil 2007. Behind, Toyota endured a miserable time riding the Monza kerbs as, like in Monaco qualifying, Jarno Trulli and Timo Glock - who experienced a small spin at the Rettifilo - brought up the rear of the field.


Second practice at Monza commences at 2pm local time (BST +1 / GMT +2) and can be followed live on GPUpdate.net
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Default Will Schumacher Help Alonso win more WDC?

Schumacher extends Ferrari contract by 3 years
11 September 2009


Michael Schumacher and Ferrari's partnership will continue up to and including 2012, it has been revealed by the multiple winner. The seven-time World Champion will continue at the Maranello squad under his supervisor role, mostly for the Scuderia's development of road cars.



Having retired from Formula One at the end of the 2006 season, German Schumacher looked to be making a surprising return this year until neck injures forced the 40-year-old out. However, with his current contract expiring at the end of this year, Michael revealed on his website on Friday that he will be remaining part of the organisation.

"Yesterday Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo and I agreed in extending our cooperation for another 3 years," Schumacher wrote. "I am very happy about this as I always like to be part of the Ferrari family and, as the name Ferrari also symbolizes passion, quality and the highest (sporting level) for me.

"We agreed that I will give my input more and more into the GT department, the area of the road cars. I have already enjoyed a lot participating in the development of the Ferrari California, the 430 Scuderia and the new 458 Italia, which we will present next Tuesday at the Frankfurt Motor Show, and so I very much look forward to participating in future projects."
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Probably more of an advisor to the F1 team, someone the team likes to see in the garage (out of respect), but his main focus will likely be as mentioned continuing with the road car development.

Besides, Miss Alonso would sleep with anyone she thought could help her win another WDC...
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"Will Schumacher help Alonso win more races?"

No.

Basically in all of the races where Schumi attended, Ferrari's performance was worse than when he wasn't there. We all remember the real ****ups when he was more involved (rather than just hanging out there) that lead to the team to tell Schumi to stay home, it's no surprise he'll be more involved in street cars, and less and less in F1...


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