FredC

What are your thoughts about PF97s and RS14s when it comes to:
1. feel?
2. durability?
3. rotor friendliness?

Thanks

}{arlequin

rs14 is the orange? never used pagids but lots of 97's. pfc's are rotor friendly and durable in my application but feel they lack the initial bite i've felt w/ other drovers using pagids. then again, it could be my braking technique that's sucking

himself

I like Pagid products, but overall, I found the PFC97s better in initial bite and easier to modulate. By modulate I mean, I didn't find them getting more grippy as they generated heat in a braking zone, so I could trail off the brakes "better" (more consistently for my foot anyway) without having to adjust for more stopping power due to heat.

On my car, the downside is the PFC97s don't last very long (comparatively) and they kick up dust something terrible. I mean, a lot of dust - and that stuff is hard to get off your wheels.

I had no issues with eating rotors with either brand.

But I did have heat issues with the PFC97s. These pads stop on a dime, but generate a boat-load of heat. I could boil Motul 600 in just a few laps with my old setup. I ended up having to put in additional brake cooling for the PFC pads. After the cooling, all was well.

As a final note, the PFCs were slightly cheaper than the Pagid pads.

-td

va122

Ok, the 97's are like the pagis RS-19/29 yellows. RS-14/black is like the 01's and murder on rotors. Don't use them 01's with cross drilled rotors, the dust will cake up in those holes.

I agree and love the 97's for their modulation, as I trail brake, and find them better in that respect then the 01's which can be a bit grabby.

Chads996

I am a HUGE PFC fan. I currently have the PF97's on my track beast. I usually run PF01's, but they do not have that version of their race pads available for my brakes. So, I am running the PF97's. I will give some feedback after this weekend.

C.

Larry Herman

Except that the RS-19/29s transfer MUCH less heat through to the caliper, and will outlast the 97 by a significant margin.

va122

Agreed Larry. What do you think about using Ti shims to keep the heat in the pads vs the caliper?

Larry Herman

That would provide some help if you are using the 97s. I think it unnecessary with the Pagids.

One point that I will add here is that there is no one correct answer. Some pads are known trouble, but most of the better racing pads will stop just fine. It is the "other" qualities that make one more suitable for your car and driving style than another. Those properties are:

1) Cost VS Longevity
2) Longevity VS Rotor wear
3) Initial Bite VS Modulation and Release
4) Heat to the Rotor VS Heat to the Caliper

Sean F

The only thing I care about is number one and based on my experiments the 97's are superior by a significant amount

himself

Another downside to the Pagid pads is that they are really sensitive to proper bedding. The PFC pads are good to go pretty much right out of the box.

You are right about Pagids not transferring much heat - but you neglected to mention that this is only true until they get below ~1/2 pad. At this point they start transferring as much heat as PFCs. Get below 1/3 of the pad left and you pretty much have to toss the Pagids. You can wear PFCs to the backing plate.

-td

Gary R.

Yep, and the fact that switching to Pagid Black's on my car's rear last year at the Glen to help with a locking caliper problem tells me they simply don't have the bite on our cars (SC's) vs. the 97's.

BostonDMD

Freddy......why do you ask?

Not happy with the PF 97s performance anymore?

Gary R.

In wet grass you want a pad that doesn't grab.....

BostonDMD

Ohhhhhhhhhh.......... I get it now........

Man...... the stuff I learn here on RL............

FredC

Dan asked me to look in my spares box before the weekend... Only rs14s stared back at me... No mas PFs... :-(