Do you drive with or instruct lawyers ??
If so, why ??
Jack

 

Jack - in this economic time and every greedy person trying to make a buck -- I can see that lawsuits will be on the way up, especially the frivolous ones. The insurance form asks who organizes and what names do you want to have covered - so it would just be a matter of adding the instructors.

We've not had any trouble and we do not want any. But with threads like this that scare folks - we might as well make sure all is on the up and up.

I would hate to know one of our instructors didn't want to attend for fear of a student about to sue. But then again, our DE instructors are just that - DE Instructors - the only racer in the group - you've heard from NC993 (Sorry, Chris - you have to admit, it is funny). Honestly, I don't think Chris has any problems either, he is one of the organizers and automatically listed - what you see is the fun bantering back and forth. I know I'm in the SE but it's a NE sense of humor!

Come join us Jack - hey, we are having a dinner on the Saturday - you can't refuse.... it's Italian night. Hubby Al is cooking for 120+ folks and our Chief Driving Instructor, Serge is making dessert.

Hey Chris - you bringing anything to the dinner?

Paolo - this is your chance to shine....

 

I really dislike hearing statements like this and worse yet when instructors complain about the cars we find students with. This is a club and different people come into the sport different ways and instructors should be comfortable enough with their instructing skills to properly control the student regardless of what type of car they are in. Further, I'm tired of hearing about slow cars making better drivers...I think there is a lot of truth to it, but that isn't the ONLY way to learn how to drive, and lets face it, who really wants to drive a low powered slow car? Personally, I think a GT3 Cup car makes a great learning tool, even for a novice...in the proper setting with the proper instructor...

 

Thank you. It all depends on the nut in the Right seat.
Add to this that the slow 73 914 will kill you at 40 mph a lot better than a 997 at 80 mph. Modern cars are far better at saving your life and limb than older slower cars are.

I have yet to see much of a pattern in car/drivers other than pilots listen and learn well and busness leaders sometimes don't.

I spent far too many years in a slow car. Yes I know, makes you a great driver and the Mo-men-tum thing but...some things go unlearned at 24 lb per hp. The new one is 6.8 lb per HP. Got a stock of Depends and barf bags in the track stuff trunk.

 

+1 to Geoffrey and Kurt.

I have also found men & women who motocross and/or race motorcycles on track make superb car drivers on track, too.





Professional Racing and Driving Coach

 

What .......no catering this time? Which means my brilliant ideas, great sense of humor, witty attitude and general good looks won't due? Damn-it
Yeah I suppose I can bring whatever Walmart is selling these days You don't want me cooking and leaving it in the truck for the 5 hour drive down do you

 

I am assuming because they learned how to be smooth, very quickly. ?

 

 

Perhaps. But, in my observation, it seems more due to their keen sense of balance & connection to what their butt is telling thhem about the attittude of the vehicle well before something changes.





Professional Racing and Driving Coach

 

For the record - I buy insurance for our Dark Side events from the track - and they use K&K insurance. I have been in contact with them today - and have learned:

From K&K about an organization and the workers: "If they [instructors] are acting on behalf of the group [Dark Side] then they are covered" K & K was further asked, "like insturctors, staff and volunteers" and the answer was yes. When we request the insurance, we have to make sure that the name of the group "The Dark Side" is on the agreement and then all workers for Dark Side would be covered.

Nice to know K&K is there for us. Chris, you can come back now - it's safe. Just your cooking isn't!

 

That's great to hear and may become an important point in attracting instructors for your events. Of course, what was it that made you check if the insurance protection you buy for yourself (and wouldn't run events without) would also protect your instructors? (That's a rhetorical question).

Suggesting to instructors that they ask the right questions about insurance and getting answers from event organizers is why I posted. ... and any prudent DE instructor with any net worth to protect would be a fool not to ask.

 

StL - We are at Roebling Road - every individual and group that rents that track - must have track insurance. No exceptions. If the certificate is not in the manager's office by the day of the event - forget about having an event.

I knew all the organizers were "protected." I was iffy about the instructors - but I'm glad to see that they are part of it. I have a sneaky suspicion that the OP was a scare tactic - and maybe not necessary. I too would like more info about the 2 lawsuits that involved instructors. (Part of me wonders if they were out in California, where recently I read on one of the other forums about instructors not being instructors but racers getting more track time for themselves and not having a clue how to instruct.)

I hope that all tracks are like Roebling - that every group has the insurance policy - and every ins. co. is like K&K about the instructors... ah, but when has anything been on an equal playing field?

You driving down to Savannah now in November to come play with us? I'm pushing it again - registration is open - 78 listed... Nov 6 (Lapping Day) / Nov 7-8 DE -- Saturday night, Italian Dinner Nigh at the Track and hey, Ryan Staub allows you to cover your car with us - for all 3 days..... wahoooo!

 

I heard once upon a time that Roebling is owned by the local SCCA chapter. Not sure if it's true, but that group has good risk management.

 

GBaker - it is true!

RRR is owned by the Buccaneer Region, SCCA. That is the chapter that stretches from Florida to Georgia. I use to be their treasurer... now I'm acting as editor -- trying to get a newsletter out for them - care to contribute an article? Anyone? I'd be happy to publish it for our members to read...

 

I think the point is that a dangerous driver with 150 HP is generally less dangerous than a dangerous driver with 400 HP. If you're not dangerous, then it wasn't directed at you. If I was an instructor and I saw my Green Group student (unknown skill level) has a ZR1, I'd naturally be more nervous than I would be if he was in a 944 n/a. Physics is a b!tch that way.