Brinkley

I know there are plenty of guys who have run "The Glen" on this board. Does anyone have a fast lap time for the short course to compare it to the NASCAR times? They stated they are running 70-71 seconds. I think last nights Grand Am DP's were running 1:05.00 (can't remember exactly). Anyone have a good time in a club race P'car?

Brinkley

I found the Grand Am results page and the FL 911 did a 1:12.00 lap time. Compared to the Stock Cars doing 1:10.00! At 3200 pound vs. the 2800 pound 911, that's a lot of HP. Like'em or not they are flying compared to the GT cars in Grand Am.

m73m95

I've wondered this too. How fast are the NASCAR boys really going compared to not only other series, but some of our own Porsche RL drivers. Does a 951 race car come even close?

DrJupeman

I'm confused. 1:10 vs. 1:12 is "flying compared to GT cars"? 2 seconds with a 400 hp or so advantage is "flying compared to"? What am I missing?

DanR

i was thinking the same thing! NASCAR has a HUGE hp (or id it torques that count?) advantage

sparks259

not sure about lap times, but from what i can see by the on-screen telemetry, these guys are taking t2 @125+-.
that's my barometer.
ever look down at your speedo jupe?
btw---will we see you next w/e?

Brinkley

Jupeman,

Flying?

2 seconds a lap is flying by any comparison. Sure the stock car has maybe 345 more HP (Hendrick engine site claims 770hp while FB 911 claims 345), but it also has almost half a ton more mass to accelerate, brake, and turn. It is my contention that when you can lay down 2 seconds on any car, by comparison, your flying. Heck, take our love of Porsche's out of it and use the lap times for the Mazda RX8 GT car. It has been stated that the Mazda makes more HP vs. the 911 Grand Am so therefore, the HP delta compared to the NASCAR is even smaller but the stock car is still 2 seconds faster and only has 300hp more.?.

Another way to look at it is, if you and I are on track together and I'm beating you by 2 seconds for ever 70 ticks of the clock, that's flying and by the end of an hour I'll almost be some 2 minutes in front of you. Oh yeah by the way, that will almost put you down two laps..flying

Veloce Raptor

Anyone who can wrestle 800+ HP 3,700 pound beasts on skinny 15" tires and tea saucer brake rotors on that short course lap after lap as well as these guys do has my immense respect. Thhat guys like Boris Said get their clock cleaned by roundy rouund drivers at the Glen speaks volumes to anyone who does not consider their skill sets world-class.





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DrJupeman

2.23 times the hp on that course only resulting in 2 second difference doesn't impress me. If it impresses you, party, but it shows me how completely superior the Porsche Cup is to a NASCAR. A Cup is Porsche's intro race car, too. These numbers suggest that a RSR would beat the NASCAR and still spot it 300hp on the short course. Do the long course and the Porsche Cup would probably outright beat the NASCAR.

"only has 300 hp more" - I can't stop chuckling over that. Does anyone else not think that 300 hp is a **** load of power???

Circuit Motorsports

How about we give the RSR that 300 hp. But give it big tall tires and little itty bitty brakes.

The RSR compleltey superior to the NASCAR???? How about completely different?

DrJupeman

Completely superior almost by definition means completely different.

Jeez, I guess I'm outta whack here. You guys continue to be impressed that a car with 2.2x the power can run "only" 2 seconds faster on a course set up for power.

Anyone care to post a spec of what size the "little itty bitty brakes" are on a NASCAR setup for Watkins Glen?

Todsimpson

The fastest HSR stock cars were 1:55 at the Glen for the full course.

That's for a car maybe a season or two "old" and I saw at least one familiar name, Eric Lux, among the drivers.

Picture from 2006.

Gary R.

No crap Charlie, gimme 400HP in my SC and i'll show em!

Circuit Motorsports

Here are the brakes or at least a recent level of brakes.

http://essexparts.com/06_NC_Guide/06...ide_pg_1.3.pdf

But to go back to your chief thing saying the RSR is compeltely superior. You can't compare. It's workign under a totally different ruleset. Hence the "it's completely diffferent"

It would be like comparing your Cup Car to a Formula Ford. By all track time and power comparisons (like you're making about the RSR vs. COT) your Cup Car is a piece of crap. It's got 2.2x more power but is slower.

Of course the Formula Ford has better brakes for it's size, lower COG, lighter wheel/tire combo, stickier tires, runs in a fairly open ruleset, etc. All things that the RSR has going for it compared to the COT.

Veloce Raptor

12.9" rotors in front, for a 3,700 pound 800+++ HP car.

Like I said.....tea saucers.





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