Larry Herman

I hate you.

Sean F

I think for most of us very average club racing types in our relatively low hp cars that don't spend a lot of time at the limit if you are correcting mid corner and at exit with the wheel and not breaking track records something is not quite right. If I'm making corrections, it's either because I'm too hot at entry and I'm correcting with the wheel prior to the apex or I've got understeer at entry and I'm correcting with the throttle. If I'm correcting mid corner to post apex with all 170hp it's because I've gone from an understeer to oversteer condition because I didn't do anything to correct the understeer prior to the apex - meaning I'm still just flat footed like the dope I am.

Want to see what correcting from being at/over the limit looks like? Watch any Leh Keen video.

Flying Finn

+1

That's exactly how I "see" it.

The car from outside (and like in Mark's example, inside seat of pants feel) is smooth but the steering & throttle inputs aren't. And of course when you're really on the limit, every now and then you step over it slightly, I don't care who you are, which shows as an under or oversteer.

One good way to see this, even though it's a different from, is rally driving. When you watch a car slide through a corner in a smooooth, controlled, constant slide through a corner, you can see the driver (or by watching just front wheels) changing the direction of the steering some times from almost one full lock to the other and of course not only change throttle input but also apply brake.

FredC

LMAO... Surely you meant 270 Sean!

M758

There is something correct here given the context. Low hp, good grip, and corner exit.

At corner entry you will need to be making corrections. These need to be small a subtle and even then you need to be mindful going too far with these over the limit. On my home track I found myself always making a correcting on turn in. End result was that I was slow going in that corner. Once I make some balance changes the car got much easier to drive and faster.

There is another spot on that track which is normally flatout. However when the tire cycle out the car goes to oversteer and I constant correcting the back end. These correction scrub speed or in the worst cause me to not stay flat. Usally when that happens I ditch the tires since a fresh set cures that problem right away.

So my point is that evidence of corrections does always not mean you are fast. It depends where and what the impact on lap times is. A good pro-driver knows were to be dancing on the limit to correct a car and where that sort of thing is a result of trying to drive around a problem. This is especially ture for corner exit.

Sean F

I'm not including the supercharger hp

BostonDMD

That's OK, none of the other D guys do either.......

See you next week.....