944-SPEC Has Come East!!!
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944-SPEC Has Come East!!!
Hello all, my name is Michael Maduske. I am the Series Director for the newly formed 944-SPEC class that will be running with NASA SE in 2009 and beyond. I wanted to take an opportunity to welcome anyone with an interest in fun, affordable and equal competition to come check us out. I am sure many of you are aware of the sucess of the 944-SPEC class on the west coast, well, now it is here for all to enjoy. Please feel free to email or PM me with any questions or simply post them here.
For complete rules and info, check us out @ www.944spec.org
Tentative 2009 NASA SE Schedule:
February 6-7-8 Carolina (CMP)
March 13-14-15 Road Atlanta
May 1-2-3 Carolina (CMP)
June 29-30-31 Barber (BMP)
July 17 Lowes (LMS)
August 7-8-9 Road Atlanta
September 11-14 Miller (MMP) NASA Nationals
October 16-17-18 Atlanta (AMP)
November 6-7-8 Carolina (CMP)
December 4-5-6 Road Atlanta
For complete rules and info, check us out @ www.944spec.org
Tentative 2009 NASA SE Schedule:
February 6-7-8 Carolina (CMP)
March 13-14-15 Road Atlanta
May 1-2-3 Carolina (CMP)
June 29-30-31 Barber (BMP)
July 17 Lowes (LMS)
August 7-8-9 Road Atlanta
September 11-14 Miller (MMP) NASA Nationals
October 16-17-18 Atlanta (AMP)
November 6-7-8 Carolina (CMP)
December 4-5-6 Road Atlanta
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Rennlist Member
Why with 944 cup already established is there a need for 944 spec? (at least in this part of the country)
#3
You might be outdriven, but you won't be out spent.
#7
Rennlist Member
it just feels like another series to split the available racers...another IRL Vs CART
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#8
With a very strong 944Sup & SuperCup series, and lots of the guys running their Cup/SC cars in PCA CR as SP2 & SP3, it does not appear to make a lot of sense. I guess the answer will be clear by teh end of the year when we see how the participation numbers stack up.
However, another propaganda war is not what we need for 2009. Lets take it as a given that they are both terrific specs, and that racers are big boys fully capable of making their own decisions without being told how to do it.
However, another propaganda war is not what we need for 2009. Lets take it as a given that they are both terrific specs, and that racers are big boys fully capable of making their own decisions without being told how to do it.
#9
Three Wheelin'
It's a matter of preference.
Even in Southern California I can run in either Spec or Cup. I chose Spec because it's in my budget. For better or worse, I'm running in Spec because I can build a competative car for under $8k, including the price of the chassis. A spec tire really helps with costs as well. There's no need for a chip, headers or tuning in Spec, so there's a pretty penny saved right there.
Even in Southern California I can run in either Spec or Cup. I chose Spec because it's in my budget. For better or worse, I'm running in Spec because I can build a competative car for under $8k, including the price of the chassis. A spec tire really helps with costs as well. There's no need for a chip, headers or tuning in Spec, so there's a pretty penny saved right there.
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Spell Checker
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With a very strong 944Sup & SuperCup series, and lots of the guys running their Cup/SC cars in PCA CR as SP2 & SP3, it does not appear to make a lot of sense. I guess the answer will be clear by teh end of the year when we see how the participation numbers stack up.
However, another propaganda war is not what we need for 2009. Lets take it as a given that they are both terrific specs, and that racers are big boys fully capable of making their own decisions without being told how to do it.
However, another propaganda war is not what we need for 2009. Lets take it as a given that they are both terrific specs, and that racers are big boys fully capable of making their own decisions without being told how to do it.
#11
With a very strong 944Sup & SuperCup series, and lots of the guys running their Cup/SC cars in PCA CR as SP2 & SP3, it does not appear to make a lot of sense. I guess the answer will be clear by teh end of the year when we see how the participation numbers stack up.
However, another propaganda war is not what we need for 2009. Lets take it as a given that they are both terrific specs, and that racers are big boys fully capable of making their own decisions without being told how to do it.
However, another propaganda war is not what we need for 2009. Lets take it as a given that they are both terrific specs, and that racers are big boys fully capable of making their own decisions without being told how to do it.
It's a matter of preference.
Even in Southern California I can run in either Spec or Cup. I chose Spec because it's in my budget. For better or worse, I'm running in Spec because I can build a competative car for under $8k, including the price of the chassis. A spec tire really helps with costs as well. There's no need for a chip, headers or tuning in Spec, so there's a pretty penny saved right there.
Even in Southern California I can run in either Spec or Cup. I chose Spec because it's in my budget. For better or worse, I'm running in Spec because I can build a competative car for under $8k, including the price of the chassis. A spec tire really helps with costs as well. There's no need for a chip, headers or tuning in Spec, so there's a pretty penny saved right there.
Let me throw some hard numbers out there.
To be competitive in 944cup here in the SE. you have GOT to run Hoosiers.
I was willing to make that investment of $210 per tire in size 225/45/15
Now, I have been told by many that after about 10 heat cycles, the Hoosiers become junk. Worse off, those with the finances to do so are probably buying new Hoosiers every weekend. With that said, I found that not only are others running Hoosiers, but they are running 16" and 17" Hoosiers too. MORE $$$.
So, worse case senario: $210x4=$840 every two weekends.
That is almost $3,400 for a tire bill per season AND it is not even the most competitive size.
944-SPEC: 225/50/15 Toyo R888: $161x4=$644
Some in 944-SPEC on the west coast are getting 15-20 heat cycles. Even at 15 it is still a substantial savings.
So if you had to buy just two sets of tires all season long, you tire bill is only
$1,288. Heck, let me be generous and add a third set. $1,932
That is almost $1,500 less. Those figures are based on running a 7 race schedule with NASA-SE. I am sure there are those that won't run that many races in a season, but with the costs savings you now can afford to.
Oh, and BTW, you will be competitive with the car next to you because....guess what, he has to run the same tire and the same size as you.
Not to mention that with the new R888's, just because someone buys a new set every weekend does not mean he will be faster. So why waste your money.
Suspension, brakes and engines are another area where spending has gotten out of control in other classes but remain strictly limited in 944-SPEC.
When I get done putting my car back to 944-SPEC rules, my investment will be less than $5,000.
Look, I don't want to come here and create a war between classes, sanctioning bodies or drivers all I want to do is go out, have a good time and not go broke doing it. I have been racing for almost 18 years now and the most fun and most success I had racing was when costs associated with racing were low and competition was close. I have seen the dark side of pocketbook racing and I can tell you this, if you want to come out and race, if you want to come out, race and have a chance to win, then you need to be behind the wheel of a 944-SPEC car.
#12
Burning Brakes
944Spec is a Nasa National Class and will have a Nasa National Championship.
944Cup is an independent class which runs primarily on the East Coast by choice. 944Cup will have their own National Championship, Nasa will not have a 944Cup National Championship class. 944Cup is gaining on acceptance in PCA, looking for direct placement shortly, and SCCA in the future. Yes, 944Cup has turned into a very expensive class. The cars running upfront are highly developed cars.
All of the 944Spec, 944Cup, SE30, Spec3 (new)...fit into GTS.
I want to run where the cars are and in the east it's 944Cup. They have several regions running all the premier tracks including Mid Ohio with PCA and Mosport with World Challenge.
To each his own, but more choices leads to lower competition within the classes.
944Cup is an independent class which runs primarily on the East Coast by choice. 944Cup will have their own National Championship, Nasa will not have a 944Cup National Championship class. 944Cup is gaining on acceptance in PCA, looking for direct placement shortly, and SCCA in the future. Yes, 944Cup has turned into a very expensive class. The cars running upfront are highly developed cars.
All of the 944Spec, 944Cup, SE30, Spec3 (new)...fit into GTS.
I want to run where the cars are and in the east it's 944Cup. They have several regions running all the premier tracks including Mid Ohio with PCA and Mosport with World Challenge.
To each his own, but more choices leads to lower competition within the classes.
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That is also true, but in time, 944-SPEC will have the cars.
Not true, more choices increases competition across the nation because it will bring out cars that probably wouldn't have been racing in the first place. I go back to my original statement, I/we are not trying to steal cars away from other classes, merely giving those a chance who would not have chose to race because of high costs.
Last edited by mcmmotorsports; 12-25-2008 at 12:48 PM.
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dam wish they had spec up here in the northeast
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