allegretto

So, you're an expert?



Hey, Boston. Run either one and have fun!

Renn 951

+1, it's time for Boston to have a new diversion!

VaSteve

I drove my 911 in three events before I moved down to a 2.5 944. I could do stuff with that car I couldn't dream of doing in a 911 (and have video to prove it). I moved up this season to a well prepped (but full street trim) 3.0 944S2 (don't care for turbos so much) and I can run pretty even with the older SC/Carerras when I can keep it off the grass. Moving up from 150 HP to 210 and not changing my driving style isn't proving well for staying on the pavement. Things like speed and torque and actually needing the brakes keep getting in the way.

In some respects, I might have had a better time with the 2.5L, since it was all gas and very little brakes...I need to bleed of so much more speed with the newer car (and the 4 piston brakes make it a lot easier to do so).

BostonDMD

Fellows...... that might not be a bad idea.......

MTosi

The fact that this year I have been running a 911, and the two previous I'd been running 944's of different sorts might just offer some perspective to the topic at hand ("944/924 VS 911")......

....and actually it helps more than you could imagine. Tell me, when you have a question relating to racing do you have someone who raced pro around pretty much 24/7 to ask? Until you've experienced that for 19 years I think you could refrain from judgment....

87 944 C

if you're pocket's not incredibly deep when it comes to repairs...look for an s2 944, they're a lot more reliable than the turbo's, and have 217hp, as much as a 944 turbo from 86-88, while staying n/a

allegretto

C'mon, lighten up. You set yourself up. No harm intened, OK?

Nice looking woman. Is she yours?

Gary R.

Buy a logbooked, race winning 944T or S2 and try it out. Sell the car you don't want, keep and race the car you do. Anything less than those will feel slow to you compared to your time in the 911.

MTosi

np

and I wish..... she's an ASTCC (Australian Touring Car) grid girl, they give the F1 girls a run for their money

M758

The main difference is that so much of a 911's weight is hugh behind the rear wheels. It is infact unique in the motor racing world. The 944 design is much more standard as it creates a natually balanced car. The good thing about naturally balanced is that once in racing trim you can tweak the balance more easily.

Front wheel drive, nose heavy cars, or rear heavy cars like the 911 all need to spend time trying work around the basic defeciencies of the chassis. Now over the years Porsche has worked magic with the 911 design first starting with the 356 into 911 development. In many ways this design flaw if you will was an asset as it enable a nimbleness not seen most cars of the day. That combined with good engineering enabled the 911 for years.

However whats is quite clear is that as an ideal racing platform neither a 911 or 944 is ideal. A rear mid-engine car with moderate rear weight bias time and time again proves the best. For prackaging reasons on street car a mid engine is far from ideal. The other issue with mid engine cars is to little polar moment of inertia. With most of the mass centered around the central core of the car they can be very easy to rotate. Fine for race car, but not ideal for a street car. The interesting this is that a front engine/rear transaxle car can have a very nice weight distribution, but will suffer from a high polar moment of inertia. This menas that with all the weight on the ends getting it to rotate is harder.

Now in many cases this is nice to prevent the car from spinning. However it can also make it slower to respond and once it does start spinning it can be harder to catch since you have more momentum to try to stop.

In in the end the 944 family of cars make a solid racing platform. Driving style is different since you don't have as much weight in the rear to deal with. A 911 will tend to have the rear end lead the car around. All that mass way on the end will tend to push the car around. The 944 will not have that and feel a better connection between the front and rear.

Now trying to say which car is better is point less. The 911 has the advantage of being the focus of Porsche motorsport for 40 years. That alone gives it a massive edge. The 944 family has very little factory support in developing the car for racing is really a bigger factor than you would imagine.

A.Wayne

Yep , perfect You can see the mid-engine Ferrari dominates ALMS


THE 911 is the better platform , even if the 924/944 is your weapon of choice..

allegretto

Um, don't tell Wolf Hentzler/Jorg Bergmeister or Johannes Van Overbeek/Patrick Pilet this, they will be very disappointed

M758

If you are building a car from the ground up with no limitations it will be mid-engine. As for rear engined (engine behind the rear wheels) racing cars only the 911 has been sucessful. As for front engine rear transmission there have been many LeMans winners with that configuration (GTO and C5R come to mind right away). The only LeMans winner with rear engine has been the 911. If course there have been many mid engine Porsche LeMans winners. One wonder if this 911s sustained sucess is really down to due Porsche engineering overcoming a basic design flaw.

allegretto

Thought that's what F did.

Anyway, you're right, Porsche is just cheating with the 911. All smoke and mirrors. Stick with the 944's.

A.Wayne

I was being sarcastic mate