When is WGI going to fix turn 11!!!!!!!
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When is WGI going to fix turn 11!!!!!!!
For those of you who didn't watch the cup race.....
(after the initial view skip to around two minutes, and look how hard it is at 2:35)
Wait haven't I seen this show before?????
ohhhh yeah.....
(sorry seth)
another view of the same crash (fast forward to half way)
and another different one....
ohh wait I almost forgot one more....
I'm the last person to complain about runout and saftey measures at a track. However it seems to me the Glen is intent on taking out the field with that stupid tire wall at turn 11. It just sucks cars right into it and spits them out right into the hard charging field. They don't even need runout there or anything new (however it would be nice), just to get rid off that stupid tire wall and have something more predictable like the armco around the rest of the track.
(after the initial view skip to around two minutes, and look how hard it is at 2:35)
Wait haven't I seen this show before?????
ohhhh yeah.....
(sorry seth)
another view of the same crash (fast forward to half way)
and another different one....
ohh wait I almost forgot one more....
I'm the last person to complain about runout and saftey measures at a track. However it seems to me the Glen is intent on taking out the field with that stupid tire wall at turn 11. It just sucks cars right into it and spits them out right into the hard charging field. They don't even need runout there or anything new (however it would be nice), just to get rid off that stupid tire wall and have something more predictable like the armco around the rest of the track.
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I was sitting in my car, on the grid, as the 3rd wreck above (the SM's) happened, right over my right shoulder. Sounded like somebody was dropping garbage cans full of bowling *****. The red SM is a good friend of mine.
The "belted" tire wall (tires with a wrapping of conveyor-belt belt) will just grab a car and turn it hard-left into the wall...and "the hits just keep on coming".
The armco won't grab a car...it's just a "glancing" blow. The old foam blocks that were then installed to cover the armco wouldn't grab a car...although I've seen the foam blocks knocked all the way over into pit lane (looked like a snow-storm)...Soupy Campbell got the "distance & height" award, circa 2004 or 2005.
IMO, the belted wall is a major contributor to 3 MAJOR wrecks in 2 years...somebody is going to get killed there if it isn't changed.
But...ISC (WGI's owner) won't do anything about it, unless the NASCAR guys start to bitch. Let's hope they bitch.
The "belted" tire wall (tires with a wrapping of conveyor-belt belt) will just grab a car and turn it hard-left into the wall...and "the hits just keep on coming".
The armco won't grab a car...it's just a "glancing" blow. The old foam blocks that were then installed to cover the armco wouldn't grab a car...although I've seen the foam blocks knocked all the way over into pit lane (looked like a snow-storm)...Soupy Campbell got the "distance & height" award, circa 2004 or 2005.
IMO, the belted wall is a major contributor to 3 MAJOR wrecks in 2 years...somebody is going to get killed there if it isn't changed.
But...ISC (WGI's owner) won't do anything about it, unless the NASCAR guys start to bitch. Let's hope they bitch.
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Not even sure a SAFER barrier system would help much there, unless you add some more runoff area prior to the barrier, but that means $ and fewer seats.....not likely.
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Man, I am so pissed about that stupid tire wall, and I was thinking exactly this after watching the Speed
Report last night. I would've called Despain to air it, but I was watching late on TiVo. And I remembered that Spec Miata wreck which was downright scary, especially for us Club Racers.
I guess it's gonna take a fatality for them to think about it.
And they charge you to fix their stinking "safety barrier"!
Report last night. I would've called Despain to air it, but I was watching late on TiVo. And I remembered that Spec Miata wreck which was downright scary, especially for us Club Racers.
I guess it's gonna take a fatality for them to think about it.
And they charge you to fix their stinking "safety barrier"!
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Yeah, the biggest problem is the belt not necessarily the proximity of the wall. If it were just a solid wall the cars would just slide along it side ways if that were the direction of impact or bounce off in a more predictable manner if the angle were closer to 90 degrees. Until that belt was there I never remember them having any incidents similar to that.
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Yeah, the biggest problem is the belt not necessarily the proximity of the wall. If it were just a solid wall the cars would just slide along it side ways if that were the direction of impact or bounce off in a more predictable manner if the angle were closer to 90 degrees. Until that belt was there I never remember them having any incidents similar to that.
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Remove the tires, but don't change the wall. Drover's who go a little wide just get a glancing blow, but won't be spun around. Nothing will make it safe for folks completely out of control or unwilling to drive within the limits of themselves and their machinery.
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I'm the last person to complain about runout and saftey measures at a track. However it seems to me the Glen is intent on taking out the field with that stupid tire wall at turn 11. It just sucks cars right into it and spits them out right into the hard charging field. They don't even need runout there or anything new (however it would be nice), just to get rid off that stupid tire wall and have something more predictable like the armco around the rest of the track.[/QUOTE]
Turn 11 is a maintain your position or with an incredible run you may improve, but it is not a corner that rewards high entry speed and you need to recognize early that you are off line. What I see are guys that are obviously too hot or off line and make no adjustments, Now that's poor judgement! You can't win in turn one and definitely not in 11. The corner's fine there is little margin for error. That's W Glen
Turn 11 is a maintain your position or with an incredible run you may improve, but it is not a corner that rewards high entry speed and you need to recognize early that you are off line. What I see are guys that are obviously too hot or off line and make no adjustments, Now that's poor judgement! You can't win in turn one and definitely not in 11. The corner's fine there is little margin for error. That's W Glen
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hmmm, SCCA also has a lot of sway... if they don't certify a track, no insurance.
-maybe try talking to their local safety steward? then national.
-my question is if you pull the tires, & the armco is damaged, how long to fix that? might take several hours, no? and how likely it will be damaged...
-maybe try talking to their local safety steward? then national.
-my question is if you pull the tires, & the armco is damaged, how long to fix that? might take several hours, no? and how likely it will be damaged...
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Well, I'm not sure if just remowing the tires is the right way to go. The way those two NASCAR guys plowed into it (especially the left car), it could've been pretty bad wreck if there was no cushion.
Besides, those two idiot were banging each other already before so I'd put a lot of blame on them, not only on the tire wall.
Besides, those two idiot were banging each other already before so I'd put a lot of blame on them, not only on the tire wall.
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Turn 11 is a maintain your position or with an incredible run you may improve, but it is not a corner that rewards high entry speed and you need to recognize early that you are off line. What I see are guys that are obviously too hot or off line and make no adjustments, Now that's poor judgement! You can't win in turn one and definitely not in 11. The corner's fine there is little margin for error. That's W Glen
Well, I'm not sure if just remowing the tires is the right way to go. The way those two NASCAR guys plowed into it (especially the left car), it could've been pretty bad wreck if there was no cushion.
Besides, those two idiot were banging each other already before so I'd put a lot of blame on them, not only on the tire wall.
Besides, those two idiot were banging each other already before so I'd put a lot of blame on them, not only on the tire wall.
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