Crazy Canuck

Car spins/goes off track in front ... safer to go by than stop.

Todsimpson

You *assume* the flagger saw what you did. It's pretty easy to miss an in car point by. Unless you spoke to them after the session you don't know what they saw.

You're also assuming flaggers are there to monitor the rules of each group.

Flaggers work DE's, races and everything in between. They don't change what they look for whether it's BMWCCA, PCA, red, white, whatever.

If it doesn't appear overtly dangerous they let it go.

deep_uv

You did have a choice and you did the wrong thing.

bobt993

Paolo, not really a good thing to post......... I would delete the video from youboob. You need to start racing, so you will better understand the rules at DE's VS racing.

Z-man

So? That's like arguing that as long as you don't get caught, it is ok to rob a bank...

You shouldn't pass without a signal under normal circumstances.

Getting behind a clueless, slow drover is still considered to be a normal circumstance.

IMHO, you could pass without a signal if...
- An emergency warranted the move.
- A car has spun/is disabled/stopped and it is safer for you to pass vs. getting collected by someone from behind

BTW: Seeing the whites of their eyes in their rearview mirror does NOT constitute a passing signal.

-Z-man.

PS: Oh, and I'm thinking at least 10 pages... especially if Paolo wins this DE.

DarkSideDE

Some flaggers work with the region/club/group that have rented the track. Our own group asks the flaggers to stay alert, they take numbers -- let us know what is going on. They are also quick on the flags, and fortunately, the folks that are with us have been obedient - and a black flag is a rarity. (I think I'm the only one who used one last DE - and that was to get our classroom instructor off the track to greet the Boys & Girls Club... it was done in fun in a good natured way!)

Paolo, as I said before, we try to teach folks like you to go to the pits... Meanwhile, speaking to the driver after -- honestly, I'd prefer it if someone like yourself told our DE Team or the track workers -- to talk to the person. It's less personal and IMO more powerful a statement.

Ray S

Ever heard the saying, two "wrongs" don't make a "right"?

It applies here.

shiners780

It is ill-advised to encourage someone who doesn't follow DE rules to go racing. Racing has rules too.

Bull

So, if you get away with stealing something, even if someone supposedly saw you do it but took no action, it would be OK for you?

Bull

Under the circumstance YOU described? NO!!! You failed Dr. Pain!

Now, if you are going to look to change the circumstance under which you passed without a signal in order to gain some approval here....then you FAIL again Dr. Pain!

SamGrant951

Like every other thread . . .

BostonDMD

Bingo

Guy spins in front of me........ I passed without a signal........

end of story......

race911

Get serious.........who hasn't? Not something to get really public about, though.

Sure, you can pit. Ummmmmmmm...........then you catch him again, or someone else. So that's a wash.

Cornerworkers? The semi-toothless wonders you guys must not have back there (cue Mark and his great Buttonwillow or Willow Springs observation from a couple of weeks ago).

Sure, go have a chat with the guy afterward. Probably won't do much good. Just make a mental note like we all do.

Only way to handle it is to suck up and look at the bigger picture: following the event rules.

Ultimate advice I have is that you should move West where things aren't rigid and uptight?

sparks259

in a word no.
especially in the white run group that historically has the most incidents.
drive thru the pits, talk to the offending driver AFTER you have a chance to cool down.
this stuff is supposed to be fun, please try to keep it that way.

mglobe

Actually, if you have a problem with another driver of any sort that involves the rules and/or safety (essentially one and the same), I think the correct way to approach it is to talk to the DE organizers. The Steward and/or the CDI should take care of it. The CDI at our PCA events makes a point at the drivers meeting each morning of telling everyone that if they have a problem with a driver, talk to him, and he'll take care of it. On more than one occasion, I've seen people who have exhibited poor driving, pack up their stuff & go home after (I assume) being talked to. Their loss, our gain.