A pass without a signal.......(G version)
07-14-2008 | 02:08 PM
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If anyone is interested;
There are serious issues here. One is language, and more to the point, some degree of communicational "dislexia". Some of the truth is lost in outright vasilation, and some in poor choice of words with resulting misunderstanding. BobbyC said it quite well. Having now met Paolo, I don't think he is a bad guy in any way. He is just trying to start at the end with too much enthusiasm and not enough thought to fitting in. Off track? Not a problem. On track? BIG problem.
Most of us start at the beginning. We pay our dues and act in a humble, deferential way as a member of a community. We seek to fit in and learn by watching how it's done. The rest either get beat back there and learn to be good citizens, give it up, or go racing.
I had a great weekend, and the answer to the question "what was more fun, the driving or the socializing?" is YES.
There are serious issues here. One is language, and more to the point, some degree of communicational "dislexia". Some of the truth is lost in outright vasilation, and some in poor choice of words with resulting misunderstanding. BobbyC said it quite well. Having now met Paolo, I don't think he is a bad guy in any way. He is just trying to start at the end with too much enthusiasm and not enough thought to fitting in. Off track? Not a problem. On track? BIG problem.
Most of us start at the beginning. We pay our dues and act in a humble, deferential way as a member of a community. We seek to fit in and learn by watching how it's done. The rest either get beat back there and learn to be good citizens, give it up, or go racing.
I had a great weekend, and the answer to the question "what was more fun, the driving or the socializing?" is YES.
07-14-2008 | 02:16 PM
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If anyone is interested;
There are serious issues here. One is language, and more to the point, some degree of communicational "dislexia". Some of the truth is lost in outright vasilation, and some in poor choice of words with resulting misunderstanding. BobbyC said it quite well. Having now met Paolo, I don't think he is a bad guy in any way. He is just trying to start at the end with too much enthusiasm and not enough thought to fitting in. Off track? Not a problem. On track? BIG problem.
Most of us start at the beginning. We pay our dues and act in a humble, deferential way as a member of a community. We seek to fit in and learn by watching how it's done. The rest either get beat back there and learn to be good citizens, give it up, or go racing.
I had a great weekend, and the answer to the question "what was more fun, the driving or the socializing?" is YES.
There are serious issues here. One is language, and more to the point, some degree of communicational "dislexia". Some of the truth is lost in outright vasilation, and some in poor choice of words with resulting misunderstanding. BobbyC said it quite well. Having now met Paolo, I don't think he is a bad guy in any way. He is just trying to start at the end with too much enthusiasm and not enough thought to fitting in. Off track? Not a problem. On track? BIG problem.
Most of us start at the beginning. We pay our dues and act in a humble, deferential way as a member of a community. We seek to fit in and learn by watching how it's done. The rest either get beat back there and learn to be good citizens, give it up, or go racing.
I had a great weekend, and the answer to the question "what was more fun, the driving or the socializing?" is YES.
07-14-2008 | 02:21 PM
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07-14-2008 | 02:23 PM
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I agree with you John, but those of us who don't know Paolo are left with nothing more than this thread to try to establish what kind of fella he is.
Situational awareness is one of the most important lessons that can be learned at a DE, in my opinion. It goes both ways, in that a driver should be able to deal with the "situation" in his/her mirrors with calm; and that a faster driver should realize that the DE environment doesn't present a situation where you glue yourself to someone's bumper like a hemorrhoid.
For all I know, I could be on track with this dude sometime in the future, so it matters how he presents himself. Joke or not, he did edit his original post, which is, in my book, the same as changing your story.
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Situational awareness is one of the most important lessons that can be learned at a DE, in my opinion. It goes both ways, in that a driver should be able to deal with the "situation" in his/her mirrors with calm; and that a faster driver should realize that the DE environment doesn't present a situation where you glue yourself to someone's bumper like a hemorrhoid.
For all I know, I could be on track with this dude sometime in the future, so it matters how he presents himself. Joke or not, he did edit his original post, which is, in my book, the same as changing your story.
-Garen
07-14-2008 | 02:23 PM
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Then why in hell did you post this to begin with? Guy spins and you go by is NOT a pass.
Sometimes I think you just try to find a way to come up with crap that will just make most of us just shake our head in disbelief.
There's 5 minutes I'll never get back. Why do I keep reading these threads? It's like a slow wreck that you just can't take your eyes off of.
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07-14-2008 | 02:54 PM
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I agree with you John, but those of us who don't know Paolo are left with nothing more than this thread to try to establish what kind of fella he is.
Situational awareness is one of the most important lessons that can be learned at a DE, in my opinion. It goes both ways, in that a driver should be able to deal with the "situation" in his/her mirrors with calm; and that a faster driver should realize that the DE environment doesn't present a situation where you glue yourself to someone's bumper like a hemorrhoid.
For all I know, I could be on track with this dude sometime in the future, so it matters how he presents himself. Joke or not, he did edit his original post, which is, in my book, the same as changing your story.
-Garen
Situational awareness is one of the most important lessons that can be learned at a DE, in my opinion. It goes both ways, in that a driver should be able to deal with the "situation" in his/her mirrors with calm; and that a faster driver should realize that the DE environment doesn't present a situation where you glue yourself to someone's bumper like a hemorrhoid.
For all I know, I could be on track with this dude sometime in the future, so it matters how he presents himself. Joke or not, he did edit his original post, which is, in my book, the same as changing your story.
-Garen
I did not see the original post. Unlike Paolo, I spent all of my free time hanging and socializing with my plethora of track friends. I never went wanting for a cold beer or a good meal. When I needed a wheel bearing, I got parts from Scott, grease from Ned, and lots of good wishes for a speedy repair. Didn't even miss a run! How is it to be a truly lucky man? To have so many good people as good friends!
Everything you do or see at a DE is a lesson, be it on track or off, driving or social. Dealing with traffic, slow learners, timid/clueless/crazy drovers, generators running, cars parked stupidly, torrential rain, EZ-up dissasters... simply endless. Some people take to things differently. Some people struggle with one or more aspects mightily, when they seem so simple to us.
Until you have a true understanding of the person, it is still not quite fair to judge with impunity. I bated Boston pretty mercilessly early on. To his credit, he never lost his cool... ala ColorChange. He's not throwing back invective and bile such as our erstwhile villain did. That was my cue to hold out hope. Square peg in a round hole, to some extent, for sure, but sufficient in quality of material to broach our way to a good part with a solid fit, methinks.
Mehopes...
07-14-2008 | 02:56 PM
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Since we now pass w/o signals and drive in packs of dining parties, we wish for hotties, pit girls, and more, thanx Bob, "**** in the pits", the white driving group has become quite the little party place. As long as you are Dr. Pain, V-, etc. I say -- send 'em all into black where the drovers will be less patient with their, lets just say "imprecise" lines and selfish expectations from others on the track.
The biggest problem in all of this is that the prevailing 'pack behavior' DOES make it less enjoyable to be on the track with these people. Talk about not being able to trust the person near you! No matter what I think of you, or you of me, there are forums for everything and everything has its own rules. Pick wisely, grasshoppers, because the northeast DE elite (namely RSR and a collection of fabulous instructors that clearly share my opinion) is picking up on all of this. Let's see if any of the regions have the cojones to actually make sure that the tire-warming race-wanna-bes don't spin drivers trying to learn.
A Professor once told me that his observations at a PCA DE (advanced event, no less) included a startling realization that there was a sincere lack of driver development going on because everyone was way too enveloped in their own egos and hp. ALL of "we" in white need to learn to drive, learn to pass, learn to give a pass, learn to live with others within the guidelines or drive somewhere else. And 'learn' means more than to solicit positive comments about your car, set-up by the previous owner, from an officer of every region.
Since we now pass w/o signals and drive in packs of dining parties, we wish for hotties, pit girls, and more, thanx Bob, "**** in the pits", the white driving group has become quite the little party place. As long as you are Dr. Pain, V-, etc. I say -- send 'em all into black where the drovers will be less patient with their, lets just say "imprecise" lines and selfish expectations from others on the track.
The biggest problem in all of this is that the prevailing 'pack behavior' DOES make it less enjoyable to be on the track with these people. Talk about not being able to trust the person near you! No matter what I think of you, or you of me, there are forums for everything and everything has its own rules. Pick wisely, grasshoppers, because the northeast DE elite (namely RSR and a collection of fabulous instructors that clearly share my opinion) is picking up on all of this. Let's see if any of the regions have the cojones to actually make sure that the tire-warming race-wanna-bes don't spin drivers trying to learn.
A Professor once told me that his observations at a PCA DE (advanced event, no less) included a startling realization that there was a sincere lack of driver development going on because everyone was way too enveloped in their own egos and hp. ALL of "we" in white need to learn to drive, learn to pass, learn to give a pass, learn to live with others within the guidelines or drive somewhere else. And 'learn' means more than to solicit positive comments about your car, set-up by the previous owner, from an officer of every region.
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07-14-2008 | 03:15 PM
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Airplanes, the moon, tall trees, roofs, buildings, bridges, power lines, the Eiffel tower, the Gateway arch, Michelangelo’s work on some chapel ceiling, personal responsibility and on track civility. What do they all have in common? They are over some peoples heads.
07-14-2008 | 03:37 PM
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Original strength......
New and Improved extra strength Edit.....
"A Pass without a signal"
Yes...... I did it yesterday at Calabogie in the White run group.......
The red carrera just wouldn't give me the pass, so at one point..........
I decided to pass anyway.......
I had no other choice........ but to do the right thing.........
Are any situations in a DE where passing w/o a signal would be tolerated?
The video will be up on u-tube in a little while.......
Yes...... I did it yesterday at Calabogie in the White run group.......
The red carrera just wouldn't give me the pass, so at one point..........
I decided to pass anyway.......
I had no other choice........ but to do the right thing.........
Are any situations in a DE where passing w/o a signal would be tolerated?
The video will be up on u-tube in a little while.......
07-14-2008 | 03:46 PM
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RayS, anybody that knows me and my sense of humor would know those two posts mean the same thing....
BTW, here is the video, please let me know if I deserved a black flag......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPXvMX84yso
BTW, here is the video, please let me know if I deserved a black flag......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPXvMX84yso
07-14-2008 | 03:54 PM
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Hard to say; you could make a case for it either way. Did he collect it or go around? If he collected it, you might have been better off giving room and allowing him to catch the car. If he spun around, all bets are off, and it is up to you as to what you think was safer. As quickly as you got past him, I am inclined to say it was better than trying to slow and see which way he would go.
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07-14-2008 | 03:54 PM
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I was view #1 on the video 
Boston you horrible overly aggressive tailgating driver, you should be banned from PCA forever for your driving antics....
now back to reality.... I fail see where you did anything wrong.....
btw here it is embedded so no one has to click
Boston you horrible overly aggressive tailgating driver, you should be banned from PCA forever for your driving antics....
now back to reality.... I fail see where you did anything wrong..... btw here it is embedded so no one has to click
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