Formula One - Bahrain GP Race Thread
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Another good drive from Jarno Trulli (he's one heck of drover)...Toyota showing that they're equal if not better than Renault right now...in my opinion they're the 4th best team behind Ferrari, McLaren and BMW.
Hamilton without Launch or Traction Control nearly threw it all away before it even started...then he was successful at throwing it away when he decided to re-arrange the Renault's Aero Package...Hamilton is a bit like Massa, quite capable of winning if they start up front and run alone, BUT incapable of anything really if they need to come from behind...
Massa as always was fast in Bahrain and after being the fastest all weekend (Kubica's Pole was a result of fuel strategy more than outright speed) he deserved and got the win (he needed that).
Kimi looked like a champ, unlike in Australia...he got the best/safest results possible...showing maturity that his eye is on the championship not race wins...Lewis may want to take notes on this.
I was a little disappointed in Kubica and in the fact the he couldn't keep the lead even though he was clearly on lighter fuel...
All in all it was good race...
Hamilton without Launch or Traction Control nearly threw it all away before it even started...then he was successful at throwing it away when he decided to re-arrange the Renault's Aero Package...Hamilton is a bit like Massa, quite capable of winning if they start up front and run alone, BUT incapable of anything really if they need to come from behind...
Massa as always was fast in Bahrain and after being the fastest all weekend (Kubica's Pole was a result of fuel strategy more than outright speed) he deserved and got the win (he needed that).
Kimi looked like a champ, unlike in Australia...he got the best/safest results possible...showing maturity that his eye is on the championship not race wins...Lewis may want to take notes on this.
I was a little disappointed in Kubica and in the fact the he couldn't keep the lead even though he was clearly on lighter fuel...
All in all it was good race...
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Originally Posted by mitch236
...Great race and another great season in the making! If a race ever inspired fans to love a team it was this race and Ferarri. If there were any accusations about team orders, this last race should lay them to rest. It would have been very easy to orchestrate a victory for Kimi and give him another 2 points (which may come in handy) but Ferarri decided to let the drivers race. Very good. You'd never see that from RD's stable....
+1 After they were 1-2, Baldisserri ordered them to take care of their cars and stay put.
(much better to do this instead as in previous race where Massa was trying to catch Kimi and while falling back, spun off and lost 8 points).
Originally Posted by mitch236
...Great race and another great season in the making! If a race ever inspired fans to love a team it was this race and Ferarri. If there were any accusations about team orders, this last race should lay them to rest. It would have been very easy to orchestrate a victory for Kimi and give him another 2 points (which may come in handy) but Ferarri decided to let the drivers race. Very good. You'd never see that from RD's stable....
+1 After they were 1-2, Baldisserri ordered them to take care of their cars and stay put.
(much better to do this instead as in previous race where Massa was trying to catch Kimi and while falling back, spun off and lost 8 points).
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Don't get me wrong I could realy care less if it is or is not the case, but if kimi backed off on his own just to make sure he finished or if he didn't want to push massa thats obv. not team orders, but if they come on the radio and say hold position or have him come in prematurly so they hold position I would consider that team orders. This obv wasn't the case but say kimi was intent on winning the race, but dominicalli and the team wanted massa to win to shut up the press and keep him happy, and they tell him to hold position and he doesn't listen and keeps pushing so they pull him in early to make sure he doesn't isn't that team orders? What I consider letting the drivers race is what happened in malaysia and with someone like massa on the team that obviously doesn't work every well.
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Why is this a big deal , they ( ferrari ) did it for Schumacher for years, Business as usual....
As to Kimi's fuel load, conjecture on all fronts..........
fastest race laps :
Pos No Driver Team Lap Time Of Day Avg Speed Time
1 23 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 49 15:52:37 209.062 1:33.193
2 3 Nick Heidfeld BMW 48 15:50:44 208.231 1:33.565
3 2 Felipe Massa Ferrari 38 15:34:12 208.153 1:33.600
4 1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 35 15:29:34 207.911 1:33.709
5 4 Robert Kubica BMW 55 16:01:39 207.765 1:33.775
6 7 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 57 16:05:37 207.109 1:34.072
7 11 Jarno Trulli Toyota 45 15:46:23 206.819 1:34.204
8 10 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 51 15:55:56 206.597 1:34.305
9 12 Timo Glock Toyota 56 16:04:16 205.503 1:34.807
10 17 Rubens Barrichello Honda 40 15:38:29 205.399 1:34.855
As you can see they ( Mclaren ) had the car , but Alas no Drivers .............
http://www.formula1.com/results/seas...p_summary.html
Front Runners pit strategy : LAP . TIME OF DAY . TIME . TOTAL PIT TIME
1 4 Robert Kubica BMW . 17 . 15:00:47 . 30.683 .30.683
1 7 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota .17 .15:01:06 .30.851 ..30.851
1 6 Nelsinho Piquet Renault .17 .15:01:28 .29.583 .........29.583
1 1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari . 20 .15:05:29 .31.237 .31.237
1 11 Jarno Trulli Toyota . 20 . 15:05:48 .30.508 .30.508
1 2 Felipe Massa Ferrari . 21 . 15:06:59 .30.536 .30.536
1 3 Nick Heidfeld BMW .21 . 15:07:14 .30.299 .30.299
1 23 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes .21 . 15:07:18 .31.307 .31.307
1 10 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault .22 . 15:09:06 .30.197 . 30.197
2 nd stop front runners
2 1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari .38 .15:34:18 . 29.958 . 1:01.195
2 14 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari . 38 . 15:35:44 . 29.914 .1:01.370
2 2 Felipe Massa Ferrari . 39 . 15:35:47 . 30.349 . 1:00.885
2 7 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota . 40 . 15:38:15 . 29.297 .1:00.148
2 4 Robert Kubica BMW . 41 . 15:39:13 . 28.763 .59.446
2 10 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault . 42 . 15:41:17 . 28.810 .59.007
2 11 Jarno Trulli Toyota .43 . 15:42:48 .. 28.243 . 58.751
2 3 Nick Heidfeld BMW . 45 .15:45:37 .27.678 . 57.977
2 23 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes . 47 . 15:49:03 . 28.531 . 59.838
Mclaren had the pace to deliver a victory or podiums , they did not have the drivers .....
As to Kimi's fuel load, conjecture on all fronts..........
fastest race laps :
Pos No Driver Team Lap Time Of Day Avg Speed Time
1 23 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 49 15:52:37 209.062 1:33.193
2 3 Nick Heidfeld BMW 48 15:50:44 208.231 1:33.565
3 2 Felipe Massa Ferrari 38 15:34:12 208.153 1:33.600
4 1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 35 15:29:34 207.911 1:33.709
5 4 Robert Kubica BMW 55 16:01:39 207.765 1:33.775
6 7 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 57 16:05:37 207.109 1:34.072
7 11 Jarno Trulli Toyota 45 15:46:23 206.819 1:34.204
8 10 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 51 15:55:56 206.597 1:34.305
9 12 Timo Glock Toyota 56 16:04:16 205.503 1:34.807
10 17 Rubens Barrichello Honda 40 15:38:29 205.399 1:34.855
As you can see they ( Mclaren ) had the car , but Alas no Drivers .............
http://www.formula1.com/results/seas...p_summary.html
Front Runners pit strategy : LAP . TIME OF DAY . TIME . TOTAL PIT TIME
1 4 Robert Kubica BMW . 17 . 15:00:47 . 30.683 .30.683
1 7 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota .17 .15:01:06 .30.851 ..30.851
1 6 Nelsinho Piquet Renault .17 .15:01:28 .29.583 .........29.583
1 1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari . 20 .15:05:29 .31.237 .31.237
1 11 Jarno Trulli Toyota . 20 . 15:05:48 .30.508 .30.508
1 2 Felipe Massa Ferrari . 21 . 15:06:59 .30.536 .30.536
1 3 Nick Heidfeld BMW .21 . 15:07:14 .30.299 .30.299
1 23 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes .21 . 15:07:18 .31.307 .31.307
1 10 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault .22 . 15:09:06 .30.197 . 30.197
2 nd stop front runners
2 1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari .38 .15:34:18 . 29.958 . 1:01.195
2 14 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari . 38 . 15:35:44 . 29.914 .1:01.370
2 2 Felipe Massa Ferrari . 39 . 15:35:47 . 30.349 . 1:00.885
2 7 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota . 40 . 15:38:15 . 29.297 .1:00.148
2 4 Robert Kubica BMW . 41 . 15:39:13 . 28.763 .59.446
2 10 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault . 42 . 15:41:17 . 28.810 .59.007
2 11 Jarno Trulli Toyota .43 . 15:42:48 .. 28.243 . 58.751
2 3 Nick Heidfeld BMW . 45 .15:45:37 .27.678 . 57.977
2 23 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes . 47 . 15:49:03 . 28.531 . 59.838
Mclaren had the pace to deliver a victory or podiums , they did not have the drivers .....
Last edited by A.Wayne; 04-07-2008 at 02:59 PM.
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true but is to early for team orders. Do not butt in, lets allow them fight.
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Now ask yourself , would schumacher have won that race starting from 3rd on the grid as Hamilton ...
thought so ...........
Last edited by A.Wayne; 04-07-2008 at 11:01 PM.
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In 2007 we were few times witnesses of trying to pass Robert by Massa without result. The different between cars were much bigger than today.
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Front wing failure likely cause of Hamilton-Alonso crash
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McLaren have confirmed that Lewis Hamilton’s front wing broke immediately prior to his running into the rear of Fernando Alonso’s Renault on lap two of Sunday’s Bahrain Grand Prix.
The unusual nature of the accident - both drivers were accelerating on a straight section of track - prompted cynics to question whether Alonso had ‘brake tested’ his former team mate. Renault’s telemetry suggested otherwise, and McLaren say they have no suspicion of any wrongdoing on the part of the Spaniard.
“When I went into the engineers’ room and started looking at the details that I realised Lewis’s upper front wing had disappeared about two seconds before the accident, so he suddenly lost downforce,” explained McLaren’s Formula One CEO, Martin Whitmarsh.
“We haven’t analysed why that happened but we suspect the structure had been weakened by previous contact. To be fair to Lewis it could have broken of its own accord, but that has never happened before so contact is the most likely cause. There’s certainly no evidence that Fernando did anything wrong.”
Such a failure would have robbed Hamilton’s car of not only downforce, but also drag, giving it an unexpected burst of acceleration, explaining the unlikely impact
McLaren have confirmed that Lewis Hamilton’s front wing broke immediately prior to his running into the rear of Fernando Alonso’s Renault on lap two of Sunday’s Bahrain Grand Prix.
The unusual nature of the accident - both drivers were accelerating on a straight section of track - prompted cynics to question whether Alonso had ‘brake tested’ his former team mate. Renault’s telemetry suggested otherwise, and McLaren say they have no suspicion of any wrongdoing on the part of the Spaniard.
“When I went into the engineers’ room and started looking at the details that I realised Lewis’s upper front wing had disappeared about two seconds before the accident, so he suddenly lost downforce,” explained McLaren’s Formula One CEO, Martin Whitmarsh.
“We haven’t analysed why that happened but we suspect the structure had been weakened by previous contact. To be fair to Lewis it could have broken of its own accord, but that has never happened before so contact is the most likely cause. There’s certainly no evidence that Fernando did anything wrong.”
Such a failure would have robbed Hamilton’s car of not only downforce, but also drag, giving it an unexpected burst of acceleration, explaining the unlikely impact
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If Hammy experienced a sudden aero balance shift [from losing a piece of his front wing] he would have understeered and been forced to lift to point the nose. I think Hammy's chrome car just out accelerated the dump truck. Simple.
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I called it on Massa over Kimi more than a week ago, but I did not see BMW have such a huge advance in speed over McLaren. Glad to see BMW and hope they leap frog over McLaren.
After watching this race, it's perfectly clear that Lewis Hamilton is overrated. The names Massa and Ralf Schumacher come to mind. If he ain't out front, he aint' winning. Lewis Hamilton has no finesse. He tries to make up ALL the positions in 1 lap.
Did you see when he came out of the pits after the nose change? Hamilton was on the soft tires and was sliding the car all over the place? What is he doing? He's loaded up on full, on soft tires. Manage your tires for the full stint of the run. He probably burned them off in 7 laps. Not too smart.
Fastest lap of the race doesn't mean anything. The Ferrari's were on cruise control after their 2nd stop and learned to take the 1-2 finish when you have it in hand.
Trulli comes in 6th!! Not too shabby.
After watching this race, it's perfectly clear that Lewis Hamilton is overrated. The names Massa and Ralf Schumacher come to mind. If he ain't out front, he aint' winning. Lewis Hamilton has no finesse. He tries to make up ALL the positions in 1 lap.
Did you see when he came out of the pits after the nose change? Hamilton was on the soft tires and was sliding the car all over the place? What is he doing? He's loaded up on full, on soft tires. Manage your tires for the full stint of the run. He probably burned them off in 7 laps. Not too smart.
Fastest lap of the race doesn't mean anything. The Ferrari's were on cruise control after their 2nd stop and learned to take the 1-2 finish when you have it in hand.
Trulli comes in 6th!! Not too shabby.