Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Official Sebring running commentary thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-16-2008, 02:22 PM
  #136  
MTosi
User
 
MTosi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sterling, MA
Posts: 1,467
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I think what alot of people missed about that incident last year is the back strait, due to the camera angle. They show bergmesiter onboard get a run down the inside then what melo does is walk him strait into the wall. Its hard to see since the camera angle is from the side of melo's car so you can't see the proximity to the wall, but what you can see is the dust from bergmeisters contact with it. When you hear the team radio after the finish bergmeister doesn't mention the last corner he mentions the backstrait.
Old 03-16-2008, 02:26 PM
  #137  
Streak
Perfect Angel
Rennlist Member
 
Streak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Beyond the Pale
Posts: 7,900
Received 168 Likes on 81 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by A.Wayne
You gotta be kidding , bone head move , yes , fast driver yes , dumb driver no

Now you need to look at the replay from last year there was equal movement from both parties, hence no penalties .
No way! Berg was trying to keep from being forced off track or into the wall. He had no choice but to continue trying to keep his car to the right of where MELOnhead was trying to shove him. Berg had no choice. Melo is dirty. He bounced off cars all year last year including a few scrapes with the RS Spyders. Why chop an RS at the apex? Just to cause damage? What point was he trying to make? The RS is going to go past him and he's not racing the RS but he ran into a lot of them last year. Let the faster classes go and don't screw up their race! He's a sneaky bastard because somehow he never got a penalty for some real a**hole driving. He did this too often last season to be forgiven so quickly. This is karma.
Old 03-16-2008, 02:33 PM
  #138  
A.Wayne
Formula One Spin Doctor
Rennlist Member
 
A.Wayne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: RPM Central
Posts: 20,448
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by MTosi
I think what alot of people missed about that incident last year is the back strait, due to the camera angle. They show bergmesiter onboard get a run down the inside then what melo does is walk him strait into the wall. Its hard to see since the camera angle is from the side of melo's car so you can't see the proximity to the wall, but what you can see is the dust from bergmeisters contact with it. When you hear the team radio after the finish bergmeister doesn't mention the last corner he mentions the backstrait.
Originally Posted by Streak
No way! Berg was trying to keep from being forced off track or into the wall. He had no choice but to continue trying to keep his car to the right of where MELOnhead was trying to shove him. Berg had no choice. Melo is dirty. He bounced off cars all year last year including a few scrapes with the RS Spyders. Why chop an RS at the apex? Just to cause damage? What point was he trying to make? The RS is going to go past him and he's not racing the RS but he ran into a lot of them last year. Let the faster classes go and don't screw up their race! He's a sneaky bastard because somehow he never got a penalty for some real a**hole driving. He did this too often last season to be forgiven so quickly. This is karma.
I guess like watching a porsche supercup race , rub to scrub, bump and run racing
Old 03-16-2008, 02:35 PM
  #139  
Streak
Perfect Angel
Rennlist Member
 
Streak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Beyond the Pale
Posts: 7,900
Received 168 Likes on 81 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by A.Wayne
I guess like watching a porsche supercup race , rub to scrub, bump and run racing
True dat!
Old 03-16-2008, 02:37 PM
  #140  
RedlineMan
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
RedlineMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Vestal, NY
Posts: 4,534
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by A.Wayne
You gotta be kidding , bone head move , yes , fast driver yes , dumb driver no

Now you need to look at the replay from last year there was equal movement from both parties, hence no penalties .
I'm not kidding;

And I don't happen to agree with you. IF Burgmeister hit Melo going into 17, then he's fair game in my book. I do not remember that being the case. If Burgmeister DID hit him on entry, then I'll change my tune. You may further try to split hairs and say that Burgmeister may have slipped, precipitating a return nudge, but you can't make me believe that Melo did not consciously hit his opponent.

With 2 cars going into the turn side-by-each, they would have both been slowed. Burgmeister had the momentum, and thus ran a wide (relatively normal) line. Melo was forced deeper, and thus took a straighter "squared" exit line. Given that, I see no reason a car exiting turn 17 would be going fast enough and/or be forced into a line where he would "wash out" into the opponent and hit him.

It seems to me the only reason he caught up momentarily was that he was on the straighter exit line, but I feel Burgmeister would have CLEARLY had the momentum to win at the stripe.

It may be prosaic to some, but I believe in Gentlemen's Racing. If you can't beat your opponent with shear craft and/or daring, CLEANLY, you take second.

I think he got that move from Earnhardt. How appropriate that Bristol is today... I wonder if Melo will be looking for pointers?
Old 03-16-2008, 02:39 PM
  #141  
RedlineMan
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
RedlineMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Vestal, NY
Posts: 4,534
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by A.Wayne
I guess like watching a porsche supercup race , rub to scrub, bump and run racing
Yep...

And it sems to me I remember how Hensler won HIS title. Slightly more than bump-and-run, as I recall.
Old 03-16-2008, 02:42 PM
  #142  
MTosi
User
 
MTosi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sterling, MA
Posts: 1,467
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

hahahaha, porsche supercup reminds me of german nascar
Old 03-16-2008, 02:52 PM
  #143  
OldGuy
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
OldGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Southwest Idaho
Posts: 10,465
Likes: 0
Received 41 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

That was a dirty move by the Ferrari no doubt.
Old 03-16-2008, 03:45 PM
  #144  
38D
Nordschleife Master
 
38D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: About to pass you...
Posts: 6,640
Received 797 Likes on 404 Posts
Default

I don't think Melo intended to hit the FL car. He made a bad decision trying to get a run to the hairpin...by the time he went to the inside of the prototype, he was on the grass and dunfer. His ABS had to be freaking out trying to keep the car straight, hence why he didn't slow until he used the FL car.
Old 03-16-2008, 04:01 PM
  #145  
Bull
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Bull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 12,346
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 38D
I don't think Melo intended to hit the FL car. He made a bad decision trying to get a run to the hairpin...by the time he went to the inside of the prototype, he was on the grass and dunfer. His ABS had to be freaking out trying to keep the car straight, hence why he didn't slow until he used the FL car.
Not intentional THIS year....just incredibly STUPID! He isn't bright enough to have known exactly what car he would take out.

He should be sat down for a while.
Old 03-16-2008, 04:36 PM
  #146  
Gator_86_951
Spell Checker
Rennlist Member
 
Gator_86_951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 21,357
Received 393 Likes on 296 Posts
Default

Got back real late last night and had a blast.

I would have liked to see the peugeot run longer without trouble and I wish the mazda entry would have been able to run. One thing I will say is that watching the race is an entirely different experience now that I have more seat time at Sebring. Corner entry and exit speeds of the prototypes is just unreal in person. Srsly.
Old 03-16-2008, 04:46 PM
  #147  
DrJupeman
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
DrJupeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 9,170
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bull
Not intentional THIS year....just incredibly STUPID! He isn't bright enough to have known exactly what car he would take out.

He should be sat down for a while.
+1000.

Clearly the hit wasn't INTENTIONAL, but it doesn't excuse stupid driving. "I didn't mean to do it" doesn't make the incident pardonable.
Old 03-16-2008, 04:58 PM
  #148  
DanS911
Pro
 
DanS911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Florida
Posts: 652
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Gator_86_951
Got back real late last night and had a blast.

One thing I will say is that watching the race is an entirely different experience now that I have more seat time at Sebring. Corner entry and exit speeds of the prototypes is just unreal in person. Srsly.
+1 on that!
No lift before the turn in at T17 and how 'bout Marco flat out through T1!!!!
Old 03-16-2008, 07:10 PM
  #149  
DrJupeman
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
DrJupeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 9,170
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DanS911
No lift before the turn in at T17 and how 'bout Marco flat out through T1!!!!
He wasn't doing it during the race from the in-car we were shown, so I guess its a "softs and low fuel load" situation...?
Old 03-16-2008, 07:22 PM
  #150  
Bull
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Bull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 12,346
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DrJupeman
He wasn't doing it during the race from the in-car we were shown, so I guess its a "softs and low fuel load" situation...?
Not certain that he did it at all during the race. The commentators were claiming he did so during testing or qualifying, and it seems to have become "fact".


Quick Reply: Official Sebring running commentary thread



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 07:29 AM.