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Old 11-15-2007 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sjanes
With more advanced student, they will have to learn what having the aids will not let them do (trailbraking, left foot braking, etc).
Sjanes, that is why I love having no nannies at all.......

I can really learn how to drive as opposed to be "saved" or controlled by the computer.....

On the other hand, if I screw up, well, everyone will know, especially if the tow truck comes out........(Not happened yet, and hope it never will)....
Old 11-15-2007 | 07:14 PM
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Are any of these required to make you a decent driver?

Maybe -- If you start with no aids and put yourself into a wall and never return, then...

Are any of these aids giving the novice student and the more advanced student alike, a false sense of security?

Maybe -- Did not have that effect on me, nor anyone I know.

Does a track car without any such aids require a more skilled driver in order to be competitive (keep up) with track cars with some/all of such aids?

Maybe -- I don't see having DSC in my BMW or PSM in my Porsche as having any impact whatsoever in my skill development. Whether it was turning 1:20 laps when I started at Lime Rock, or turning 1:02 laps now with my stock 997s. In all events, DSC / PSM remained on and did not kick on. Why? I was smooth and drove the car to it's maximum potential. Go beyond the limit, and that's when there's interference. I see some guys go out there and overdrive their car so they turn off -- and then later in the day I've seen their cars coming out on a flatbed. Maybe because they turned off, but more likely because they were overdriving and thought they were better than they were.

A good driver will do well in whatever you put them on the track in. A Trabant, a Smart, a 964, or a 997S with PSM.
Old 11-15-2007 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RonCT

A good driver will do well in whatever you put them on the track in. A Trabant, a Smart, a 964, or a 997S with PSM.
Agreed......

P.S. I just got back from Italy, and those Smart cars look good......
Old 11-15-2007 | 09:08 PM
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Rick, thanks for your response.....

How do you handle students without the aids? (and soon to be on R-compound?)
As you well know, when they drive as well as you do, I just shut up and enjoy the ride.
More thruthfully, there is always something more to learn; it sure is differnt, though, when you have a student that needs input on every part of the course compared with those that only need a 'well, we could take turn x a bit earlier and see how that works.'
Lordy, I miss the track already. Just got my 2008 tires mounted.
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As you well know, when they drive as well as you do, I just shut up and enjoy the ride.
More thruthfully, there is always something more to learn; it sure is differnt, though, when you have a student that needs input on every part of the course compared with those that only need a 'well, we could take turn x a bit earlier and see how that works.'
Lordy, I miss the track already. Just got my 2008 tires mounted.
Rick, planning to have you sit in my car again next year......if you are willing of course....
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Originally Posted by RickBetterley
when they drive as well as you do, I just shut up and enjoy the ride.
More truthfully...
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I think you misinterpreted my 'more truthfully' comment.
It happens to me a lot.
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Originally Posted by RickBetterley
I think you misinterpreted my 'more truthfully' comment.
It happens to me a lot.
Just playing with Paolo Rick..
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
Just playing with Paolo Rick..
What else is new "Slick"?.......
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You won't have the Limerock Valdez to kick around next year!
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
You won't have the Limerock Valdez to kick around next year!
Don't get sentimental now.......

Hopefully next year we can run together in Black (I just have to get promoted first)
and then you can show me the fast lines with your club racing car.....
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Just playing with Paolo Rick..
Pick your playmates more carefully, Gary. There are better ones over on HWFM Racing forum.
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Originally Posted by RickBetterley
Pick your playmates more carefully, Gary. There are better ones over on HWFM Racing forum.
Not quite sure how to take that Rick.......
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Originally Posted by RickBetterley
Pick your playmates more carefully, Gary. There are better ones over on HWFM Racing forum.
There's a HWFM Forum?
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
There's a HWFM Forum?
Yes, but they dislike dentists over there.......


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