Electric or Hydraulic Surge Brakes on Trailer
09-26-2007, 01:22 PM
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Electric or Hydraulic Surge Brakes on Trailer
Found a used, open Trailex w/ hydraulic surge brakes. Price may be very attractive but I don't want to get something (hydraulic surge vs. electric brakes) that I'll regret over the long term. I imagine most folks here with trailers have electric brakes.
Advice?
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Mike
Advice?
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Mike
09-26-2007, 01:26 PM
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Electric brakes are far more effective and controllable in stopping the whole rig safely. Surge brakes are only marginally better than having no brakes on the trailer. Especially since most surge brake controllers that I've encountered on boat trailers are rarely working correctly after a few years of use anyway...
09-26-2007, 01:53 PM
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Ok, I'll go ahead and take the minority opinion
While I agree that electrics are preferred and offer better control, I would not bail on the trailer if it is a good deal. Surge brakes work just fine once you learn how to use them. When you need to stop quickly, transfer the weight quickly. I have them on my trailex. I get it serviced yearly and have had no problems.
While I agree that electrics are preferred and offer better control, I would not bail on the trailer if it is a good deal. Surge brakes work just fine once you learn how to use them. When you need to stop quickly, transfer the weight quickly. I have them on my trailex. I get it serviced yearly and have had no problems.
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Wow...that was a bunch of quick and unanimous replies. Thanks. Sounds like a deal breaker (no pun intended ).
I had surge brakes on the U-haul car hauler I rented and they seemed to be good. My towing experience was limited though. 700 miles of flat interstate highway driving unloaded and 700 miles of the same but loaded. By "good", I mean the tow vehicle wasn't being noticably pushed by the trailer during braking and it seemed that braking distance for was only slightly greater that normal braking. But not being a frequent user, nor having and experience with electric brake trailers, I didn't want to base any purchase decision on my very limited experience with the hydraulic surge brake system.
I found a nice past thread on electric brake controllers, so I'm good here. But how about the need for electric brakes on both axles vs. just one. For the small open trailers I'm looking at, I see generally brakes on 1 axle, and sometimes on both axles. I'm sure both axles is better, but is it imperative?
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). I had surge brakes on the U-haul car hauler I rented and they seemed to be good. My towing experience was limited though. 700 miles of flat interstate highway driving unloaded and 700 miles of the same but loaded. By "good", I mean the tow vehicle wasn't being noticably pushed by the trailer during braking and it seemed that braking distance for was only slightly greater that normal braking. But not being a frequent user, nor having and experience with electric brake trailers, I didn't want to base any purchase decision on my very limited experience with the hydraulic surge brake system.
I found a nice past thread on electric brake controllers, so I'm good here. But how about the need for electric brakes on both axles vs. just one. For the small open trailers I'm looking at, I see generally brakes on 1 axle, and sometimes on both axles. I'm sure both axles is better, but is it imperative?
Thanks,
Mike
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09-26-2007, 02:23 PM
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I like the independent control of electric brakes. I can adjust them depending on driving conditions. I can also shut them off for parking lot work, etc.
I think surge may have been popular when factory wiring was less prevalent. Surge is more of a hitch-and-go product for vehicles not already set up for towing.
It's probably good for boating but I'm not familiar with that.
I think surge may have been popular when factory wiring was less prevalent. Surge is more of a hitch-and-go product for vehicles not already set up for towing.
It's probably good for boating but I'm not familiar with that.
09-26-2007, 02:30 PM
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I have surge brakes on my trailex and despite what everyone here says, they are great. You don't have as much control as with electrics, but a 900# trailer with a 3200# car on it doesn't need electric brakes. Surge brakes don't need adjustment, but as posted above, they should get service once a year. Call trailex and ask Carl for his opinion.
09-26-2007, 03:13 PM
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Having used both I prefer surge brakes, at least as executed by trailex. There's no issues backing up and they really are proportional in braking effort. If there's no weight on the trailer (or if it's wet) , it doesn't push on the hitch as hard and you get less braking. If you're loaded and going down hill, there's more force and more braking force is generated. To me it's just one less thing to hassle with. I have 2 different vehicles I can tow with, and I didn't have to wire them for the brake controller.
09-26-2007, 03:30 PM
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Arkadi and other,
While I was composing the first reply, I see several of you jumped in here in support of hydraulic surge brakes. Yeah, it could be a good deal...$3000 max.
It's on E-Bay. Serial number implies its a hydraulic surge (HS) type but ad say electric brakes. Pics in the ad don't show the tongue to provide me with evidence of a hydraulic surge tongue. I have sent the seller an message. Based on the sellers past sales history, the seller may be just flipping this trailer vs. having actually used it. Trailer is claimed to be in good condition.
Hopefully no one here will bid against me or snipe me....I'll take that chance since Rennlisters are such good folks!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...156475797&rd=1
Anybody here near Caledonia, MI that can check this out for me ???
Mike
While I was composing the first reply, I see several of you jumped in here in support of hydraulic surge brakes. Yeah, it could be a good deal...$3000 max.
It's on E-Bay. Serial number implies its a hydraulic surge (HS) type but ad say electric brakes. Pics in the ad don't show the tongue to provide me with evidence of a hydraulic surge tongue. I have sent the seller an message. Based on the sellers past sales history, the seller may be just flipping this trailer vs. having actually used it. Trailer is claimed to be in good condition.
Hopefully no one here will bid against me or snipe me....I'll take that chance since Rennlisters are such good folks!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...156475797&rd=1
Anybody here near Caledonia, MI that can check this out for me ???
Mike
09-26-2007, 03:49 PM
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Chances are, if you call Carl at Trailex, he'll be able to tell you the history of the trailer. Not only is he extremely accommodating, he's able to tell you how they set up the trailers.
I recall being told by a trailer dealer in NJ that surge brakes were not legal in that state on gross weight over 3500 lbs. Of course, my memory isn't always great.....
I recall being told by a trailer dealer in NJ that surge brakes were not legal in that state on gross weight over 3500 lbs. Of course, my memory isn't always great.....
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Thanks Marc and Patrick. I'll get the serial no. and call Carl at Trailex. F
Funny, as yesterday, I read an article about the "legality" hydraulic surge brakes and that in certain applications they are technically not legal as you need be able to engage the brakes on the trailer from within the tow vehicle. I suspect this is a function of state law and tow specifics (tow vehicle, trailer, and towed weight). I'll check this out with our DMV (New York).
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Funny, as yesterday, I read an article about the "legality" hydraulic surge brakes and that in certain applications they are technically not legal as you need be able to engage the brakes on the trailer from within the tow vehicle. I suspect this is a function of state law and tow specifics (tow vehicle, trailer, and towed weight). I'll check this out with our DMV (New York).
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State By State Braking Laws
From the Digest of Motor Laws / AAA / Edition 73
State State DOT or DMV Phone Number State DOT or DMV Web Address Width Height Max Total Length Max Trailer Length Trailer Braking System Requirements
Alabama 334-242-6358 www.dot.state.al.us 102" 13' 6" N/A 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Alaska 907-465-3900 www.dot.state.ak.us 102" 14' 75' 40' Required over 5000 lbs. GVW
Arizona 602-712-7227 www.azdot.gov 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Arkansas 501-569-2612 www.ahtd.state.ar.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 53.5' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW / all trailers weighing 1500 lbs or more shall have brakes on all wheels
California 916-654-5266 www.dot.ca.gov 102" 14' 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW / on at least 2 wheels
Colorado 800-999-4997 www.dot.state.co.us 102" 14' 6" 70' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Connecticut 860-594-3000 www.dot.state.ct.us 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels. All trailers over 8000 lbs. GVW, shall be capable of braking by foot or hand.
Delaware 302-760-2080 www.deldot.net 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Every motor vehicle when operated on a highway shall be equipped with brakes adequate to control the movemant, and to stop and hold such vehicle and any trailer attached thereto, including 2 separate means of applying the brakes.
Dist. Columbia 202-673-6813 www.ddot.dc.gov/main.shtm N/A 13' 6" 85' 60' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels
Florida 850-414-4100 www.dot.state.fl.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
Georgia 404-656-5267 www.dot.state.ga.us 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
Hawaii 808-587-2150 www.state.hi.us/dot/ 108" 14' 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Idaho 208-334-8000 www.itd.idaho.gov 102" 14' 75' 48' Trailers with a unladen weight of 1500 lbs. Must have independent braking system
Illinois 217-782-7820 www.dot.state.il.us/ 102" 13' 6" 65' 60' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Indiana 317-232-5533 www.in.gov/dot/ 102" 13' 6" 65' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Iowa 515-239-1101 www.dot.state.ia.us 102" 13' 6" 70' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Kansas 785-296-3566 www.ksdot.org 102" 14' 65' N/A Every combination of vehicles shall have a service breaking system, which will stop such combination within 40 feet from an initial speed of 20 mph.
Kentucky 502-564-4890 www.kytc.state.ky.us 96" 13' 6" 63' N/A Kentucky law does not specifically require brakes on trailers, however, vehicles singular or in combination must be able to stop within distance specified by statute.
Louisiana 225-379-1100 www.dotd.state.la.us 96" 13' 6" 70' 40' Required over 3000 lbs., GVW On all wheels.
Maine 207-624-3000 www.maine.gov/mdot 102" 13' 6" 65' 48' Required over 3000 lbs., GVW On all wheels.
Maryland 410-865-1142 www.mdot.state.md.us/ 102" 13' 6" 55' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW. Not required on all wheels if trailer does not exceed 40% of the GVW of the towing vehicle. Over 10,000 lbs required on all wheels
Massachusetts 617-973-7800 www.state.ma.us/mhd/ 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Every trailer having an unladed weight of more than 10,000 lbs shall be equipped with air or electric brakes.
Michigan 517-373-2090 www.michigan.gov/mdot 102" 12' 6" 65' 45' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Minnesota 651-296-3000 www.dot.state.mn.us/ 102" 13' 6" 60' 45' A trailer with a gross weight of 3000 lbs, GVW or more, or a gross weight that exceeds the empty weight of the towing vehicle, must be equipped with brakes that can adequately control the movement of and stop and hold the trailer.
Mississippi 601-359-7001 www.mdot.state.ms.us 102" 13' 6" 53' 40' Required over 2000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
Missouri 888-275-6636 www.modot.state.mo.us/ 102" 13' 6" 55' / 65' N/A Independent breaking system not required except on trailers coupled by a 5th wheel & kingpin.
Montana 406-444-6200 www.mdt.state.mt.us 102" 14' 65' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels. Less than 3000 lbs GVW not required if the total weight of the trailer does not exceed 40% of the GVW of the towing vehicle.
Nebraska 402-471-2281 www.dmv.state.ne.us 102" 14' 6" 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW Over 6500 lbs GVW require brakes on all wheels.
Nevada 775-888-7000 www.nevadadot.com 102" 14' 70' N/A Required over 1500 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
New Hampshire 603-271-3734 www.state.nh.us/dot 102" 13' 6" N/A 48' Every trailer shall at a speed of 20 mph be capable of stopping within a distance of 30 feet.
New Jersey 609-530-3536 www.state.nj.us/transportation/ 102" 13' 6" 50' 40' Every trailer must be equipped with brakes and be synchronized with towed vehicle.
New Mexico 505-827-5100 www.nmshtd.state.nm.us 102" 14' 75' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
New York 518-457-6195 www.dot.state.ny.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 48' Required on trailers that weigh over 1000 lbs. / adequate brakes requires over 3000 lb GVW
North Carolina 919-733-2522 www.ncdot.org 96" 13' 6" 60' 35' Required over 4000 lbs. GVW
North Dakota 701-328-2500 www.nd.gov/dot 102" 14' 75' 53' Every trailer must be equipped with adequate brakes.
Ohio 614-466-2335 www.dot.state.oh.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Brakes required if the trailer has an empty weight of over 2000 lbs
Oklahoma 405-522-8000 www.okladot.state.ok.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Oregon 888-ASK-ODOT www.odot.state.or.us/home 102" 14' 65' 45' Independent braking system not required but combination of vehicles must stop within legal limits.
Pennsylvania 717-787-2838 www.dot.state.pa.us/ 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Every trailer must be equipped with adequate brakes.
Rhode Island 401-222-2481 www.dot.state.ri.us 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Required over 4000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
South Carolina 803-737-2314 www.dot.state.sc.us/ 102" 13' 6" N/A 48' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels. Under 3001 lbs brakes not required unless trailer exceeds 40% of the towing vehicle gross weight.
South Dakota 605-773-3265 www.sddot.com N/A 14' N/A N/A Required on all trailers.
Tennessee 615-741-2848 www.tdot.state.tn.us/ 102" 13' 6" N/A N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Texas 512-463-8588 www.dot.state.tx.us/txdot.htm 102" 13' 6" 65' N/A Required over 4500 lbs. GVW
Utah 801-965-4559 www.dot.state.ut.us 102" 14' 65' 40' Every combination of vehicle shall at a speed of 20 mph be capable of stopping within a distance of 40 feet.
Vermont 802-828-2657 www.aot.state.vt.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 45' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW on at least 1 axle. Over 6000 lbs GVW required on all wheels
Virginia 804-786-2801 http://virginiadot.org/ 102" 13' 6" 65' 45' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Washington 360-705-7000 www.wsdot.wa.gov 102" 14' 60' N/A Required on all trailers on all wheels. Under 3000 lbs not required unless trailer exceeds 40% of the towing vehicle gross weight.
West Virginia 800-642-9066 www.wvdot.com 102" 13' 6" 75' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Wisconsin 608-266-1466 www.dot.wisconsin.gov/ 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Wyoming 307-777-4714 http://wydotweb.state.wy.us 102" 14' 65' 45' Every combination of vehicle shall at a speed of 20 mph be capable of stopping within a distance of 40 feet.
From the Digest of Motor Laws / AAA / Edition 73
State State DOT or DMV Phone Number State DOT or DMV Web Address Width Height Max Total Length Max Trailer Length Trailer Braking System Requirements
Alabama 334-242-6358 www.dot.state.al.us 102" 13' 6" N/A 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Alaska 907-465-3900 www.dot.state.ak.us 102" 14' 75' 40' Required over 5000 lbs. GVW
Arizona 602-712-7227 www.azdot.gov 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Arkansas 501-569-2612 www.ahtd.state.ar.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 53.5' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW / all trailers weighing 1500 lbs or more shall have brakes on all wheels
California 916-654-5266 www.dot.ca.gov 102" 14' 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW / on at least 2 wheels
Colorado 800-999-4997 www.dot.state.co.us 102" 14' 6" 70' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Connecticut 860-594-3000 www.dot.state.ct.us 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels. All trailers over 8000 lbs. GVW, shall be capable of braking by foot or hand.
Delaware 302-760-2080 www.deldot.net 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Every motor vehicle when operated on a highway shall be equipped with brakes adequate to control the movemant, and to stop and hold such vehicle and any trailer attached thereto, including 2 separate means of applying the brakes.
Dist. Columbia 202-673-6813 www.ddot.dc.gov/main.shtm N/A 13' 6" 85' 60' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels
Florida 850-414-4100 www.dot.state.fl.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
Georgia 404-656-5267 www.dot.state.ga.us 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
Hawaii 808-587-2150 www.state.hi.us/dot/ 108" 14' 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Idaho 208-334-8000 www.itd.idaho.gov 102" 14' 75' 48' Trailers with a unladen weight of 1500 lbs. Must have independent braking system
Illinois 217-782-7820 www.dot.state.il.us/ 102" 13' 6" 65' 60' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Indiana 317-232-5533 www.in.gov/dot/ 102" 13' 6" 65' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Iowa 515-239-1101 www.dot.state.ia.us 102" 13' 6" 70' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Kansas 785-296-3566 www.ksdot.org 102" 14' 65' N/A Every combination of vehicles shall have a service breaking system, which will stop such combination within 40 feet from an initial speed of 20 mph.
Kentucky 502-564-4890 www.kytc.state.ky.us 96" 13' 6" 63' N/A Kentucky law does not specifically require brakes on trailers, however, vehicles singular or in combination must be able to stop within distance specified by statute.
Louisiana 225-379-1100 www.dotd.state.la.us 96" 13' 6" 70' 40' Required over 3000 lbs., GVW On all wheels.
Maine 207-624-3000 www.maine.gov/mdot 102" 13' 6" 65' 48' Required over 3000 lbs., GVW On all wheels.
Maryland 410-865-1142 www.mdot.state.md.us/ 102" 13' 6" 55' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW. Not required on all wheels if trailer does not exceed 40% of the GVW of the towing vehicle. Over 10,000 lbs required on all wheels
Massachusetts 617-973-7800 www.state.ma.us/mhd/ 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Every trailer having an unladed weight of more than 10,000 lbs shall be equipped with air or electric brakes.
Michigan 517-373-2090 www.michigan.gov/mdot 102" 12' 6" 65' 45' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Minnesota 651-296-3000 www.dot.state.mn.us/ 102" 13' 6" 60' 45' A trailer with a gross weight of 3000 lbs, GVW or more, or a gross weight that exceeds the empty weight of the towing vehicle, must be equipped with brakes that can adequately control the movement of and stop and hold the trailer.
Mississippi 601-359-7001 www.mdot.state.ms.us 102" 13' 6" 53' 40' Required over 2000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
Missouri 888-275-6636 www.modot.state.mo.us/ 102" 13' 6" 55' / 65' N/A Independent breaking system not required except on trailers coupled by a 5th wheel & kingpin.
Montana 406-444-6200 www.mdt.state.mt.us 102" 14' 65' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels. Less than 3000 lbs GVW not required if the total weight of the trailer does not exceed 40% of the GVW of the towing vehicle.
Nebraska 402-471-2281 www.dmv.state.ne.us 102" 14' 6" 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW Over 6500 lbs GVW require brakes on all wheels.
Nevada 775-888-7000 www.nevadadot.com 102" 14' 70' N/A Required over 1500 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
New Hampshire 603-271-3734 www.state.nh.us/dot 102" 13' 6" N/A 48' Every trailer shall at a speed of 20 mph be capable of stopping within a distance of 30 feet.
New Jersey 609-530-3536 www.state.nj.us/transportation/ 102" 13' 6" 50' 40' Every trailer must be equipped with brakes and be synchronized with towed vehicle.
New Mexico 505-827-5100 www.nmshtd.state.nm.us 102" 14' 75' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
New York 518-457-6195 www.dot.state.ny.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 48' Required on trailers that weigh over 1000 lbs. / adequate brakes requires over 3000 lb GVW
North Carolina 919-733-2522 www.ncdot.org 96" 13' 6" 60' 35' Required over 4000 lbs. GVW
North Dakota 701-328-2500 www.nd.gov/dot 102" 14' 75' 53' Every trailer must be equipped with adequate brakes.
Ohio 614-466-2335 www.dot.state.oh.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Brakes required if the trailer has an empty weight of over 2000 lbs
Oklahoma 405-522-8000 www.okladot.state.ok.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Oregon 888-ASK-ODOT www.odot.state.or.us/home 102" 14' 65' 45' Independent braking system not required but combination of vehicles must stop within legal limits.
Pennsylvania 717-787-2838 www.dot.state.pa.us/ 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Every trailer must be equipped with adequate brakes.
Rhode Island 401-222-2481 www.dot.state.ri.us 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Required over 4000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels.
South Carolina 803-737-2314 www.dot.state.sc.us/ 102" 13' 6" N/A 48' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW, On all wheels. Under 3001 lbs brakes not required unless trailer exceeds 40% of the towing vehicle gross weight.
South Dakota 605-773-3265 www.sddot.com N/A 14' N/A N/A Required on all trailers.
Tennessee 615-741-2848 www.tdot.state.tn.us/ 102" 13' 6" N/A N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Texas 512-463-8588 www.dot.state.tx.us/txdot.htm 102" 13' 6" 65' N/A Required over 4500 lbs. GVW
Utah 801-965-4559 www.dot.state.ut.us 102" 14' 65' 40' Every combination of vehicle shall at a speed of 20 mph be capable of stopping within a distance of 40 feet.
Vermont 802-828-2657 www.aot.state.vt.us 102" 13' 6" 65' 45' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW on at least 1 axle. Over 6000 lbs GVW required on all wheels
Virginia 804-786-2801 http://virginiadot.org/ 102" 13' 6" 65' 45' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Washington 360-705-7000 www.wsdot.wa.gov 102" 14' 60' N/A Required on all trailers on all wheels. Under 3000 lbs not required unless trailer exceeds 40% of the towing vehicle gross weight.
West Virginia 800-642-9066 www.wvdot.com 102" 13' 6" 75' 40' Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Wisconsin 608-266-1466 www.dot.wisconsin.gov/ 102" 13' 6" 60' N/A Required over 3000 lbs. GVW
Wyoming 307-777-4714 http://wydotweb.state.wy.us 102" 14' 65' 45' Every combination of vehicle shall at a speed of 20 mph be capable of stopping within a distance of 40 feet.