$17K 964 or $27K 996. Extra $10K worth it?
09-21-2007, 01:46 AM
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This statement pretty much sums up your entire post. You should have put it first so I could have avoided the rest of your drivel.
Is the GT3 motor better? Sure it is, but this has nothing to do with the OP's question. You gripe about the motor quite a bit but clearly there are a lot of people who DE and Club Race 996's with very few problems. Furthermore they must not broadcast Grand Am Cup races out west. Guess what Porsche they drive???
I guess (based on your post) that the 996 chassis is no improvement, lighter weight is no improvement, brakes no improvement, suspension no improvement?
Did you even bother to read the original post? What a joke....
Is the GT3 motor better? Sure it is, but this has nothing to do with the OP's question. You gripe about the motor quite a bit but clearly there are a lot of people who DE and Club Race 996's with very few problems. Furthermore they must not broadcast Grand Am Cup races out west. Guess what Porsche they drive???
I guess (based on your post) that the 996 chassis is no improvement, lighter weight is no improvement, brakes no improvement, suspension no improvement?
Did you even bother to read the original post? What a joke....
Original Post?? The guy wants a car that won't blow up on the track, that he can enjoy without putting a ton of $$ into. I am sure his choice will be a 996. They are proven track performers.
O.K. You win. I am a joke. you got me. A 996 is a great car. Way better than anything that came before it. Not sure why they still make the GT3??? The 996 is such a capable car, What is Porsche thinking??? Cup cars are just over priced old technology... Why the hell did they not put that wonderfull Grand Am power plant in the Cup car. Just think of all the $$$ the pro racers would save.
I will never own one, but what the *&$# do I know. I have a very limited experience with Porche cars.
09-21-2007, 08:44 AM
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The problem is that most here are comparing apples to oranges. A great driver like Hupfer in a great car like a Euro SC is going to be quicker than a lot of average drivers in faster cars. Put a very good driver like Jim Breakey in a very fast car like his old 996, and there is no way that Mark can run with him; as it should be.
To boil it down, an SC will be slower than a comparable Carrera, which will be slower than a 964 which will be slower than a 993, which will be slower than a 996. As fast as my RSA is, it is because the prepared rules allow me to make more mods than the stock 996s that I race against. If I were to mod a 996 to the extent that my car is, it would be faster, hands down.
To boil it down, an SC will be slower than a comparable Carrera, which will be slower than a 964 which will be slower than a 993, which will be slower than a 996. As fast as my RSA is, it is because the prepared rules allow me to make more mods than the stock 996s that I race against. If I were to mod a 996 to the extent that my car is, it would be faster, hands down.
09-21-2007, 09:07 AM
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09-21-2007, 09:08 AM
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09-21-2007, 09:11 AM
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Yes, but that is an anomaly due to PCA rules. With an SC you can "legally" change the timing, A/F ratio and rev limiter. Combined with headers, that makes for a huge increase in performance. With a Carrera you can't because it is Motronic, but if you properly chip one, it will fly by an SC. Back to your regularly scheduled topic.......
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09-21-2007, 09:55 AM
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Wow this thread got pretty crazy.
If you are going to driving this on the street as well, consider the reliability and comfort of the 996. The 996 creature features will work better in general. It's more money up front but can definitely be developed further as desired.
But if the starting price of the 996 is pushing your budget then it really is not a consideration for financial reasons. Just get the newest nicest car you can find within your budget. As someone has mentioned don't over look a 993 and an early 996 would probably be fine for your use.
Good luck
If you are going to driving this on the street as well, consider the reliability and comfort of the 996. The 996 creature features will work better in general. It's more money up front but can definitely be developed further as desired.
But if the starting price of the 996 is pushing your budget then it really is not a consideration for financial reasons. Just get the newest nicest car you can find within your budget. As someone has mentioned don't over look a 993 and an early 996 would probably be fine for your use.
Good luck
09-21-2007, 10:21 AM
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Johnny911: I think that you are getting a good sample of opinions no? Still there?
09-21-2007, 10:23 AM
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As for the posters budget, I always say to take the TOTAL money you have to spend and subtract $5K. Put the $5K away for the 1st 3 months of Porsche ownership and desired mods, you will most likely need it.
09-21-2007, 10:24 AM
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Yes the original post that said this.....
"I have 8 years of DE in a wonderful 87 3.2 911 with suspension upgrades, but am tired of getting run over in the straights."
You wrote this...
How about Jim B's response to you? Did you read that?
Just what does years of successful racing in DE, Club Racing, and Grand Am Cup mean to you? I consider that proven performance.
Once again, your true colors shine through.....
"I have 8 years of DE in a wonderful 87 3.2 911 with suspension upgrades, but am tired of getting run over in the straights."
You wrote this...
How about Jim B's response to you? Did you read that?
Just what does years of successful racing in DE, Club Racing, and Grand Am Cup mean to you? I consider that proven performance.
Once again, your true colors shine through.....
09-21-2007, 10:27 AM
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Wow what a pointless debate and not helping the OP at all. The guy wanted best bang for buck. Now RS 197 has taken it to air cooled vs water cooled and how the 996/997 platforms are not real porsches. dude, get off your soap box.
Your points so far about the 996 engines blowing up, well yeah they can and it will cost ya $10K tops for a fresh engine in the car out the door with a warranty. Remind me again how much a top end rebuild costs on a 964 and how frequently that may come up with track use? I'de say we are pretty even then right?
As for driveability... the 996 chasis is for all intents and purposes the same as the GT3 and can be developed as such... so where do we stand now?
Your points so far about the 996 engines blowing up, well yeah they can and it will cost ya $10K tops for a fresh engine in the car out the door with a warranty. Remind me again how much a top end rebuild costs on a 964 and how frequently that may come up with track use? I'de say we are pretty even then right?
As for driveability... the 996 chasis is for all intents and purposes the same as the GT3 and can be developed as such... so where do we stand now?
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09-21-2007, 10:50 AM
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