Where did the Chin thread go off to?
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When we get a driver that wants to move up a level, we set them up ahead of time with an instructor. We send out introductory emails to the instructor and the student to get the ball rolling before the event. It's been working wonderfully.
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Originally Posted by LVDell
when lines form it is really hard to break them and the best thing to do is pull in and get space. Then you have to track all to yourself while the train screws around!
As far as SAFE, it's not a school. It's strictly a hotlapping club: no instructors, full race cars, open passing (ANYWHERE), etc. You're free to bring a coach/instructor, but they don't have any on staff.
Don't get me wrong, I really like Suncoast PCA. It's a great group of people and track time is track time, but given the choice of what club to drive with at Sebring, my rankings go SAFE, Chin, PCA, FCA.
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Originally Posted by mdrums
Hey, you know that just about all small plane airports offer a free or pretty cheap (usually around $35) 1st flight lesson.
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Originally Posted by mdrums
what is it you all do not understand about my original questions about Chin and my frustration with my last Porsche Club DE green run group?
Have fun in Florida for those that are going. It's f#$%ing snowing here
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Originally Posted by mdrums
My question is and so far nobody has explained it to me is....how can I practice threshold braking, trail braking, and basically keep picking up speed if I can not progress in speed when the group I am in is so slow through corners that I basically do not even need to hardly brake for the corners?
Originally Posted by mdrums
...but if I am running around and coasting into corners in the green group at Sebring with the Porsche Club I will never progress and learn anything. Learning is fun and I want to have a ton of fun.
I think your instructor may be to blame for your experience. I have been instructing for PCA for quite some time now and have never had a student in so much traffic, they couldn't enjoy themselves and learn safely. I have to believe that your experience at that event was a one time occurance at best. PCA limits the number of students on track and there should be enough room for you to play.
Now I do want to emphasize something here. Sometimes, if there is too much traffic, I will drop back on the straights and let the train go and then I can enter turns with speed. At the novice level, there is always something to learn, even when going slow.
Look me up at the next event. I would be happy to talk to you.
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Originally Posted by nkhalidi
Great idea, but in PCA's 25-minute sessions, by the time you've gotten in the train and gone around the whole 3.7-mile track twice at 3/10 pace, you've only got time for one, maybe two hot laps. There's a reason PCA events are considerably cheaper than Chin events - they pack in far more drivers and have shorter sessions. I brought up this issue in a PCA instructor-training session late last year, and there wasn't any push to change the event format.
I think mdrums just had a bad expereince and correlated it to ALL events now in those run groups. Hate to break it to him. If it is like that in the student groups, chances are that the upper run groups are very similar.
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I think your instructor may be to blame for your experience. I have been instructing for PCA for quite some time now and have never had a student in so much traffic, they couldn't enjoy themselves and learn safely. I have to believe that your experience at that event was a one time occurance at best. PCA limits the number of students on track and there should be enough room for you to play.
Now I do want to emphasize something here. Sometimes, if there is too much traffic, I will drop back on the straights and let the train go and then I can enter turns with speed. At the novice level, there is always something to learn, even when going slow.
Look me up at the next event. I would be happy to talk to you.
Now I do want to emphasize something here. Sometimes, if there is too much traffic, I will drop back on the straights and let the train go and then I can enter turns with speed. At the novice level, there is always something to learn, even when going slow.
Look me up at the next event. I would be happy to talk to you.
If you go to a PCA event thinking it is nothing but lapping days track time you will be sorely mistaken. Some are closer to that than others but like I said, they vary by region AND more importantly.......thr TRACK! Sure, VIR (1 hour away) for me is a great track and world class, but with that comes popularity, so the groups are larger. But then a track like CMP (3 hours away) is an awesome track but definitely no VIR so the run groups and entrants are much smaller. All the more track time for me!
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Speaking of Chin, are some of you guys coming to the MidOhio event over Memorial Day?
Memorial Day Holiday Monday + Tuesday (2 day event).
3 run groups and the total number of cars is limited to 80 cars. Lots of hard core track guys show up because of all the track time available.
http://www.chinmotorsports.com/event...ay.asp?eid=205
Hope to see you there.
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Memorial Day Holiday Monday + Tuesday (2 day event).
3 run groups and the total number of cars is limited to 80 cars. Lots of hard core track guys show up because of all the track time available.
http://www.chinmotorsports.com/event...ay.asp?eid=205
Hope to see you there.
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Originally Posted by LVDell
Either that was one POORLY run event and an anomoly contrary to how they really run OR your instructor should have pulled into the hot pits, asked the starter for space and then head back out.
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I agree with your point that if traffic was an issue, you can always pull into the pits and get some space. If I have a quick student getting stuck in traffic, I pull 'em into the pits - give the "rubber-band" signal and wait for a good opening. The next time out, I make sure the student grids up early so we don't stuck.
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Originally Posted by LVDell
Did you even voice your concern to the instructor so that he might have the ability to pull in to get space???
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Originally Posted by BostonDMD
mdrums,
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger......
Ask me how I know, or just read some of the threads I started a while back.
Everyone is here to help, yes, some the deliveries might be a bit strong, but hang in there........![bigbye](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/xyxwave.gif)
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger......
Ask me how I know, or just read some of the threads I started a while back.
Everyone is here to help, yes, some the deliveries might be a bit strong, but hang in there........
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Originally Posted by nkhalidi
Great idea, but in PCA's 25-minute sessions, by the time you've gotten in the train and gone around the whole 3.7-mile track twice at 3/10 pace, you've only got time for one, maybe two hot laps. .
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Originally Posted by C4 Guy
....ease up there cowboy!
As one of the organizers, I can tell you it was a *very* well run event! Our region has a great reputation for running well organized, safe and fun drivers ed events.
I agree with your point that if traffic was an issue, you can always pull into the pits and get some space. If I have a quick student getting stuck in traffic, I pull 'em into the pits - give the "rubber-band" signal and wait for a good opening. The next time out, I make sure the student grids up early so we don't stuck.
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I agree with your point that if traffic was an issue, you can always pull into the pits and get some space. If I have a quick student getting stuck in traffic, I pull 'em into the pits - give the "rubber-band" signal and wait for a good opening. The next time out, I make sure the student grids up early so we don't stuck.
Now go back a read my post again and then choose what you want to see this time, then report back.
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Dell, et., al, . . . it is really easy to misunderstand stuff on new forums and emails. You don't have the benefit of facial expressions or tones of voice . . . I've upset people before unintentionally, even though that was never the objective. Don't worry, it just happens sometimes. I think everything at this point has been cleared up, whether it be regarding PCA or Chin or where the sun rises and sets. Let's just focus on . . . WE GET TO PLAY AT SEBRING IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS! WEEEEEEEE!!!! I'm just a little excited. Now then . . . I need to take off . . . going to the track this whole weekend, and Sears Point on Monday. Life is tough, but somebody has to do it.
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Originally Posted by mdrums
...but if I am running around and coasting into corners in the green group at Sebring with the Porsche Club I will never progress and learn anything. Learning is fun and I want to have a ton of fun.
most regions accept a note from the chief instructor of your region and some would do a quick checkout ride on the first session.
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Originally Posted by Bonster
Let's just focus on . . . WE GET TO PLAY AT SEBRING IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS! WEEEEEEEE!!!! I'm just a little excited.