Lefty's Deceiver

You can pick up a clean 98 Boxster for $18k these days. They can be run at 2779# and have 217 HP which could be increased with a better exhaust and intake but I still don't understand why someone wouldn't want to race the Boxster in PCA F-Stock. I guess the weak point may be engine oiling so a oil mod may be necessary, but what are the true reasons club racers have overlooked this car?

Interested in your opinions.

Thanks
Lefty

MJR911

No one has really spent the money to develop one in F. I can go out and buy the suspension parts from 3 different shops that will let me WIN in a 911/944S2/968 with certainty. No one has done the same for a boxster.

I do agree that their prices are right as donors, but still not as cheap as early 911s or 944s.

JCP911S

I'd guess cost and unfamiliarity.

I'd guess boxster would be at significant power disadvantage relative to 3.2 Carrara (2662/230hp), but would probably outhandle them. Not sure anybody really knows how much additional power the boxster could get.... the factory exhaust is pretty efficient on these cars

M758

POC is starting a spec class for the 2.5L boxsters. Similar to 944 spec These will run well under PCA weight, but have more limitaions on engine prep & suspesion. Due to less weight they should be faster than F cars.

MJR911

Just run a boxster S in F.... take off the badges, run open pipes and change the calipers!

bruinbro

You forgot to swap gearshift *****....

Bro

MJR911

Oh yeah... eh, a piece of black tape should do fine.

Lefty's Deceiver

How do you get 230 out of a 3.2 Carrera and remain stock? Is that headers, intake and exhaust mods alone?

MJR911

John is about spot on, calling the 3.2 able to put down around 230 hp. 230 is flywheel horsepower, as the 217 is also flywheel horsepower. I don't know exactly what the boxster can put down with some good headers... but I have seen 3.2 carreras make 200-205 horsepower at the rear wheels with good headers and balanced motors.

Just buy a car with solid leakdown numbers, a FRESH 915 box done well, and POUR all other money into suspension. Chasing a few hp in stock class PCA isn't worth it.

MJR911

Lefty, have you spoken to Mike Trombley on his 944TS E car? The motor alone is worth the asking price, and I know Mike wants to make a deal on the car. See his add in the race car classifieds.

38D

I think you will start to see Boxsters and Ss showing up in E and F soon. DrJupeman had an S for a while and ran in the 2:15s at the Glen with stock headers, stock air filter/intake, no cage, but with MPSCs and a race suspension. I would think the S could easily be competitive in E. With S car go headers and a fresh air intake, the Ss can make close to 280hp. Coupled with a 6 speed, that pretty damn potent.

I think the main reason that you have not seen them is that people did not want to race a convertible. The fact is the chassis is stiffer than a 964, so it pretty darn good.

DrJupeman

My 2:15s were at DEs, too. I'm sure it is many seconds faster in a race (and on better tires, etc). I'm better now, too.

38D

Exactly. That was a 2:13s or even better car if prep'd to the limits.

bgiere

there a few in our area here in Ohio...Max Zupon and John Williams...both did very well in SCCA T-2 this past season...very quick cars. John's car was the ex-Fred Baker T-2 Boxster. both are very well developed and reliable from what i understand.

JR944

I think the Boxster S may be a better E car than the regular Boxster may be in F.

I've never seen the car in person, but Trombley's car does look like a good deal. I'm curious though why Mitch would say that the motor alone is worth the asking price? I doubt if ANY 951 motor is worth almost $20k used. If Mike even spent that much building it, and it's legal, that seems excessive!

Does anyone know why the car was run in D class at Summit Pt. last year?

Joe