"90th Percentile" VIR Pilots... Your Thoughts
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To elaborate on what Jim said, I think the three largest areas in that lap were: 1) 11/Oak Tree 2) braking on the front straight and 3) at the back straight. As Jim already said, 11/Oak Tree was ruined by the GT3, so not much to say there. On the front straight, I think you could start braking at the 2 marker, trail it all the way down to the first apex. For the back straight, I would brake slightly at the very last marker, turn in, get back on the gas hard, then brake with all you've got for the next right hander. When done right, I think it's the scariest section of the track.
Oh, and what is that red light that keep going off on the dash?
Oh, and what is that red light that keep going off on the dash?
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Thanks Jim;
Yeh... that was not my best lap for sure. I muffed NASCAR, and Left Hook a bit. I must not have liked something (??) through South Bend because I did drag the brake a little long. I only filmed from that camera position for that one session, and the later laps were more or less ruined by that pokey GT3 and other traffic. I don't know what he was up to, but signaling me by and letting me go was not on his list, and I've 9-10 more laps just like that on film.
Kind of a waste to run MPSCs and go that slow.
I agree. What I sort of knew, and those who have responded (here and by PM) have essentially offered, is that it is up to me to screw up my courage a bit tighter and give 'er a bigger go. "Longer straights" and deeper braking mostly. I think my biggest gains will come going harder/longer into the dip and up the hill into 11, and also the same into 14. After that, taking a real flyer off Hog Pen might grab a couple tenths. I'm definitely doggy out of Turn 1. My turbo gear box is NOT ideal for the power band, for sure.
To make all of that extra entry speed work, I need a bit more oversteer. Like I tell everyone who asks why I still drive a "slow" car, The limiting factor is still me, what then is the point of having more power?
Yeh... that was not my best lap for sure. I muffed NASCAR, and Left Hook a bit. I must not have liked something (??) through South Bend because I did drag the brake a little long. I only filmed from that camera position for that one session, and the later laps were more or less ruined by that pokey GT3 and other traffic. I don't know what he was up to, but signaling me by and letting me go was not on his list, and I've 9-10 more laps just like that on film.
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I agree. What I sort of knew, and those who have responded (here and by PM) have essentially offered, is that it is up to me to screw up my courage a bit tighter and give 'er a bigger go. "Longer straights" and deeper braking mostly. I think my biggest gains will come going harder/longer into the dip and up the hill into 11, and also the same into 14. After that, taking a real flyer off Hog Pen might grab a couple tenths. I'm definitely doggy out of Turn 1. My turbo gear box is NOT ideal for the power band, for sure.
To make all of that extra entry speed work, I need a bit more oversteer. Like I tell everyone who asks why I still drive a "slow" car, The limiting factor is still me, what then is the point of having more power?
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Originally Posted by 38D
When done right, I think it's the scariest section of the track.
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Oh, and what is that red light that keep going off on the dash?
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John, besides all of the good critique that you have received I think that you should use 2nd in turn one. You do not have enough torque to carry 3rd, and I think that the added acceleration in 2nd will more than make up for the shift to 3rd, no matter how awkward it is or where it occurs. Think turn 1 at Summit Point.
I know that everyone wants you to power through 14, rather than coast, so I won't mention that.
You may not be able to do this because of your redline, but I use 2nd down rollercoaster
Boy do you get down the hill in a hurry. I feel that you lose the benefit of the steep part of the hill waiting for 3rd gear to spool up, at least in my car.
I would also try stuffing the car deeper into 16, braking harder and then taking the same line through 17. Every little bit helps.
I know that everyone wants you to power through 14, rather than coast, so I won't mention that.
You may not be able to do this because of your redline, but I use 2nd down rollercoaster
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I would also try stuffing the car deeper into 16, braking harder and then taking the same line through 17. Every little bit helps.
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Here is my best lap from the VIR grand am / PCA club race weekend
[http://members.rennlist.com/bill935k...best%20lap.wmv
What I would have given for a fully dry track and catching the traffic at better points.
Plenty left on the table
[http://members.rennlist.com/bill935k...best%20lap.wmv
What I would have given for a fully dry track and catching the traffic at better points.
Plenty left on the table
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Originally Posted by Bill935K3
Here is my best lap from the VIR grand am / PCA club race weekend
[http://members.rennlist.com/bill935k...best%20lap.wmv
What I would have given for a fully dry track and catching the traffic at better points. Plenty left on the table
[http://members.rennlist.com/bill935k...best%20lap.wmv
What I would have given for a fully dry track and catching the traffic at better points. Plenty left on the table
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Quite frankly, Sir, I think you are "insane!!" Shhhheeeeesh!
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Larry;
The shifting ideas are not new to my mind. Although you are right about the boot in the butt, I think I am carrying a bit too much speed through 1 and 14 for 2nd gear, redline at only 6200. Maybe not. Worth a look though, eh? I have tried 2nd in Left Hook, but the extra driveline mayhem just did not seem worth it to me.
Perhaps another reason I don't race (yet?): Mechanical Sensitivity.
The shifting ideas are not new to my mind. Although you are right about the boot in the butt, I think I am carrying a bit too much speed through 1 and 14 for 2nd gear, redline at only 6200. Maybe not. Worth a look though, eh? I have tried 2nd in Left Hook, but the extra driveline mayhem just did not seem worth it to me.
Perhaps another reason I don't race (yet?): Mechanical Sensitivity.
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Originally Posted by RedlineMan
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Quite frankly, Sir, I think you are "insane!!" Shhhheeeeesh!
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And John, I meant 2nd gear around the right-hander into rollercoaster. Just to help get launched down the hill.
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Originally Posted by Bill935K3
Here is my best lap from the VIR grand am / PCA club race weekend
[http://members.rennlist.com/bill935k...best%20lap.wmv
[http://members.rennlist.com/bill935k...best%20lap.wmv
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I was able to get a good look at him at Summit Point though. The wet cups could stay right with him down the chute and through the carousel.
As far as the carousel the GT3cup multi linck (mechanical grip), better front/rear weight % and the stiff nimble setup means I don't have a prayer. Through there any type of optimal line and Tom Pank would dart in. When I was behind him if I tried to hold his speed I would wash out
Bill, what's your top speed on the back straight?
NOTE the shift lights coming on in 5th so far from the brake zone was a distraction. We reprogramed them after the session but then came the friggin rain!
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Originally Posted by Bill935K3
Heck the good drivers were faster. In the chute I could not sail in like a wanted as I was having trouble getting her whoaa'd down......As far as the carousel the GT3cup multi linck (mechanical grip), better front/rear weight % and the stiff nimble setup means I don't have a prayer. Through there any type of optimal line and Tom Pank would dart in. When I was behind him if I tried to hold his speed I would wash out.
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Originally Posted by Bill935K3
Here is my best lap from the VIR grand am / PCA club race weekend
[http://members.rennlist.com/bill935k...best%20lap.wmv
What I would have given for a fully dry track and catching the traffic at better points.
Plenty left on the table
[http://members.rennlist.com/bill935k...best%20lap.wmv
What I would have given for a fully dry track and catching the traffic at better points.
Plenty left on the table
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http://members.rennlist.com/bill935k3/RearLockSpin.wmv
EDIT second one loaded on site but will not play. it is 8MB and I can e-mail direct to the posters who are interested. It is me following Tom Pank and over taking him. Show how well Cups handle carousel at Summit Pt
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EDIT second one loaded on site but will not play. it is 8MB and I can e-mail direct to the posters who are interested. It is me following Tom Pank and over taking him. Show how well Cups handle carousel at Summit Pt