rockitman

That's the way I feel. I have 6 points for both seats and I wear a Hans. I find that the possibility of smashing my 149K vehicle in the wall, a primary motivator for avoiding the "invincibility factor"...

Dirt Track Racer

Does anyone here know why there are no R3s or Hutchens or any other H&Ns in NASCAR? Or F1? Or CART? Or IndyCar? Or TransAm? Or ALMS? Or GrandAm? Or SCCA?

Does anyone know why NASCAR finally outlawed all H&Ns except for the HANS?

I do.

Bull

Me too. Marketing dollars! And in some cases, availability when the regs were written.

rockitman

The only place I have seen R3's is in NHRA....mostly Funny car... Top fuelers seem to be mostly using hans from what I have seen.

Dirt Track Racer

ROFLMAO! And you know this to be true how?

And there were 4 different H&Ns in use when NASCAR started mandating them. Now its only one. I am sure Dr. Hubbard pays NASCAR for the priveledge. LOL!

Bull

So, we both have each other ROFLMAO. Oh Keeper Of The Truth, you know this to be untrue how?

Dr. Hubbard doesn't pay anyone "for the priveledge". He is a smart man...he has a Marketing VP!

Eli K

I think the point some are trying to get across is not whether the R3 is as effective as the HANS device, but rather R3 being a safer alternative to not wearing anything at all.....

Bull

Exactly! Particularly when you are riding in 10-20 different cars each season, which I don't think the godd Doc considered because it wasn't his objective.

Professor Helmüt Tester

Now you're channeling the Isaac guy.

Dirt Track Racer

Because unlike you, I actually know about the racing industry and know most players in it.

Bull

Really? Tell me more about myself, since you seem to think you know me, my history, my current activities and my businesses.

If you can be so wrong about me, one wonders what else you are blowing smoke about? Anyway, enjoy your truths!

KPV

I purchased an R3 this year due to several fatalities that were too close to home in one way or another. I have tracked since 1985 with a varied history of vehicles and I instruct newbies that I personally introduce and bring to the track from time to time. As a structural engineer, I looked at the three competing restraints, the Hans, the R3 and the Isaac. I chose the R3 for my own beliefs of superiority as a result of my own analyses of force resolution. But I will not bore you with the that.

Besides the foregoing, since I instruct sometimes, with some students having cars with 5/6 pt harnesses and some with only the factory 3 pt, I wanted the benefit of the H&N restraint regardless of the harness type. That immediately eliminated two devices.

I do not subscribe to the theory that those with H&N restraints drive beyond their limits or in a riskier manner than those without. I think the choice to include the safety device is one of mortality, family, fear, responsibility, etc.

The point was raised as to whether a passenger should possess a similar restraint if the driver is wearing one. Well, it certainly is an interesting question. I don't know if I can answer it. The costs are in many cases prohibitive. I will ask a question though.......for ponderance by all.........

If you were the driver of a car where you were wearing a H&N restraint and your passenger was not, and you had a mishap, causing the death of your passenger while you survive due to the presence of your H&N restraint, how would you feel?

TD in DC

Impossible question to answer accurately. If a passenger were to die while you were driving, you undoubtedly would feel horrible. I can't imagine that you would feel "worse" due to a personal choice of the passenger not to use an R3 (or any other properly installed H&N device). Put conversely, I can't imagine you would feel any "better" if a passenger died while you were driving despite his or her use of an R3 (or any other properly installed H&N device). From an emotional standpoint, you might assign blame to yourself due to the lack of an H&N device, but I doubt you would in fact feel any "worse" on the whole.

DrJupeman

Please share your information.

Bull

EXACTLY the same way I would feel if the passenger were wearing a H&N device and died!