bauerjab

I have had the much talked about problem of Pagid orange pads gunking up rotors, leading my to believe my rotors were warped. ( I am running 930 cross drilled rotors on an 87 911 (2800 lb)).

Does anybody have experience with PFC 097 pads. Any feedback would be appreciated. I am particularly interested in how the braking characteristics between the PFC's and Pagids differ.e.g., cold stopping power, hot stopping power, coefficient's of friction, rotor wear and just general feel of the pad.


Thanks in advance.

John

jerome951

John,

I don't have direct PFC97 vs. Orange experience, but I've never experienced pad buildup w/ the 97s.
Some of the older PF compounds did this, but not the 97s.

bauerjab

do you like the 97's? Any excessive rotor wear?

Larry Herman

Check out this thread. It compares a lot of different pads. I for one have had problems with PF 90s and 97s overheating the calipers. For my money, the RS-19 yellows are the best pads out, for performance, for stopping power, and for wear.

bauerjab

Larry,

Prior to starting this thread, I had read that thread and did note that you liked the yellow Pagids.

When you say overheat the calipers, what do you mean? Do you mean they stopped working properly? Did your brake power significantly diminish?

I don't understand how you can overheat a caliper. I have 930 calipers and have never had a problem with them.

Thanks

John

Larry Herman

On my old Carrera with PF pads, I would get the calipers so hot that the seals (not the boots, they always got toasted) would fail in one or two DE's. Constantly. Once I even had a wheel bearing smoking. On my son's EVO8, which has nice 4 piston Brembos, larger than your 930 calipers, he roasted them to a brown color, and had fluid boiling problems. This past event on a hard braking track, no problems with RS-19s on his car. Needless to say, they work perfectly on the GT3.

James Achard

I recently switched from Pagid Orange$ to PFC 097 and can't say enough good things about the PFC's. Much better pad IMO and much less money. No bed in problems either. I'm running the Brembo GTP-LW kit on my car now. I had been using the 930 setup as well as the stock Carrera brakes and the Pagids were just a pain all around. The PFC's don't need any bed in which is an additional advantage.

Cheers, James

Larry Herman

James, don't get me wrong, the PF 97s STOPPED the car, it was all the other problems that we had. The RS-19s work better, last longer, transfer less heat (not really an issue with huge brakes) and IMHO have a lower operating cost than other pads.

jerome951

The PF97s are pretty easy on rotors. My rotors always become too heat cracked (necessitating replacement) before they wear out.

aubreym

I used to use PFC 90's until they stopped making them (bastards! ) and NEVER had a problem. No excessive wear or heat. I switched to 97's and to date, including VIR and the Mid Ohio club race this year, no problems and they stop the car like the 90's.

JCP911S

Just a voice from the Hawk Blue contingent... inexpensive, last 3-4 weekends, STOP with stock (e.g. really really marginal) SC brakes, never fade, and never coat my rotors.... can;t go wrong IMHO...

jerome951

Beware of false economies. I get almost twice that life from PFC97s (and I'm not gentle on the brakes by any means)...

OG Racing seems to have to best prices on PFC pads. If you talk to Tom and ask really nicely, they may even give you a Rennlist discount (assuming you are a member).

eugene

I have yet to come across any pad that is as good as PFC. Was using 93. Currently use 01

Eugene.

bauerjab

Eugene,

Obviously, there are a multitude of factors that one considers before concluding that a pad is the best. And what may be the "best" for one person may not be the "best" for another. For example, a pad may have the best braking characateristics, but yet chew the rotors to shreds. If one is overly concerned about rotor wear, obviously that pad is not the best for that person.

So, could you amplify on what you mean when you say that you haven't found anything comparable to a PFC. Also, what have you compared the PFC to? And what kind of car, rotors, calipers, and cooling system, if any, do you have for your brakes.

Thanks

John

JCP911S

I typically replace pads at 1/2 wear point for maximum heat dispersion... i could probably run them 5-6 events but the SC brakes are so marginal, I feel I need every advantage... pads are pretty cheap in the overall scheme of things.... havent tried the PFC... they may be great... I just found something that works for me and don't feel like experimenting... FWIW