Annoying Miatas ruining track days
05-24-2023 | 08:18 PM
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So now this is a dick measuring contest of racing experience to discuss hode etiquette? I'm sure your well respected at the track and when they see your bad *** car on thier six and move.
Anytime you want to compare racing resumes we can take it off line. That's your way to let me know your a serious cat. I dig that, maybe we can meet at a track some time and ill give you a point by when you fill my mirrors with your all menacing track car.
I stated a simple option to an age old problem and of course this turned into an internet pissing match.
I'm at tracks all around the east coast and maybe I could learn a thing or to from you.
Anytime you want to compare racing resumes we can take it off line. That's your way to let me know your a serious cat. I dig that, maybe we can meet at a track some time and ill give you a point by when you fill my mirrors with your all menacing track car.
I stated a simple option to an age old problem and of course this turned into an internet pissing match.
I'm at tracks all around the east coast and maybe I could learn a thing or to from you.
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nineball (05-25-2023)
05-24-2023 | 10:25 PM
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So now this is a dick measuring contest of racing experience to discuss hode etiquette? I'm sure your well respected at the track and when they see your bad *** car on thier six and move.
Anytime you want to compare racing resumes we can take it off line. That's your way to let me know your a serious cat. I dig that, maybe we can meet at a track some time and ill give you a point by when you fill my mirrors with your all menacing track car.
I stated a simple option to an age old problem and of course this turned into an internet pissing match.
I'm at tracks all around the east coast and maybe I could learn a thing or to from you.
Anytime you want to compare racing resumes we can take it off line. That's your way to let me know your a serious cat. I dig that, maybe we can meet at a track some time and ill give you a point by when you fill my mirrors with your all menacing track car.
I stated a simple option to an age old problem and of course this turned into an internet pissing match.
I'm at tracks all around the east coast and maybe I could learn a thing or to from you.
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05-24-2023 | 10:49 PM
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So now this is a dick measuring contest of racing experience to discuss hode etiquette? I'm sure your well respected at the track and when they see your bad *** car on thier six and move.
Anytime you want to compare racing resumes we can take it off line. That's your way to let me know your a serious cat. I dig that, maybe we can meet at a track some time and ill give you a point by when you fill my mirrors with your all menacing track car.
I stated a simple option to an age old problem and of course this turned into an internet pissing match.
I'm at tracks all around the east coast and maybe I could learn a thing or to from you.
Anytime you want to compare racing resumes we can take it off line. That's your way to let me know your a serious cat. I dig that, maybe we can meet at a track some time and ill give you a point by when you fill my mirrors with your all menacing track car.
I stated a simple option to an age old problem and of course this turned into an internet pissing match.
I'm at tracks all around the east coast and maybe I could learn a thing or to from you.
With this topic you should be attacking the words or concept not the person. Attacking the person to me says your argument sucks. Not really explaining your logic behind your position is telling too. I still don't know why you think your way is better. Everyone knows it's an option, everyone who has been around more than a decade has seen it put into practice but I don't see anyone agreeing it's the best way to do things. You seem to be a lone wolf on taht topic. Want to explain it better why you think the coddling and ignoring the slow driver breaking the rules to the punishment of everyone else paying to use the track is the ideal way to do things?
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05-25-2023 | 08:56 AM
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So I have the same dilemma but with most types of cars. I drive LMP cars and don't do DE to run and compete against others, but to improve my skills and limits where possible, I almost stopped doing Chin events as Miata's are in the fast group and whilst you are going almost 30-40 seconds a lap quicker than them it becomes dangerous. PCA is awesome as most of us know each other and point by's are instant in both GT3's and Cup cars, its rare to see a Miata in Pink group at PCA which is why i do them.
Closing speeds on Miata's or similar powered cars is dangerous at times, I feel that run groups should be based on car average lap times so not to hold up other cars. Agreed some epic Miata / Boxster drivers out there way better than myself if I drove their machinery, but the lap times should be reviewed and put into groups that make sense.
Closing speeds on Miata's or similar powered cars is dangerous at times, I feel that run groups should be based on car average lap times so not to hold up other cars. Agreed some epic Miata / Boxster drivers out there way better than myself if I drove their machinery, but the lap times should be reviewed and put into groups that make sense.
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johnsopa (05-28-2023)
05-25-2023 | 10:52 AM
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We could compare resumes on here but a resume is garbage for proving who's faster or whatever you want it to prove (I have a pretty good win record I'm proud of, some track records, some other crap I am sure I can dredge up so it's not like I have nothing). I or yourself could have 40 years of racing experience, show up every race weekend to drive, driven triple digit tracks, win tons of races and still be a terrible driver (I literally know someone like that) compared to someone with 5 years of experience at a handful of tracks and a crappy looking resume. I really do like dick measuring and bragging about how good I think I am, it's literally what the point of racing is when it comes down to it, but it's not what the topic of this thread is.
With this topic you should be attacking the words or concept not the person. Attacking the person to me says your argument sucks. Not really explaining your logic behind your position is telling too. I still don't know why you think your way is better. Everyone knows it's an option, everyone who has been around more than a decade has seen it put into practice but I don't see anyone agreeing it's the best way to do things. You seem to be a lone wolf on taht topic. Want to explain it better why you think the coddling and ignoring the slow driver breaking the rules to the punishment of everyone else paying to use the track is the ideal way to do things?
With this topic you should be attacking the words or concept not the person. Attacking the person to me says your argument sucks. Not really explaining your logic behind your position is telling too. I still don't know why you think your way is better. Everyone knows it's an option, everyone who has been around more than a decade has seen it put into practice but I don't see anyone agreeing it's the best way to do things. You seem to be a lone wolf on taht topic. Want to explain it better why you think the coddling and ignoring the slow driver breaking the rules to the punishment of everyone else paying to use the track is the ideal way to do things?
This is worse than dealing with my ex wife.
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nineball (05-25-2023)
05-25-2023 | 11:20 AM
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05-25-2023 | 11:28 AM
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So I have the same dilemma but with most types of cars. I drive LMP cars and don't do DE to run and compete against others, but to improve my skills and limits where possible, I almost stopped doing Chin events as Miata's are in the fast group and whilst you are going almost 30-40 seconds a lap quicker than them it becomes dangerous. PCA is awesome as most of us know each other and point by's are instant in both GT3's and Cup cars, its rare to see a Miata in Pink group at PCA which is why i do them.
Closing speeds on Miata's or similar powered cars is dangerous at times, I feel that run groups should be based on car average lap times so not to hold up other cars. Agreed some epic Miata / Boxster drivers out there way better than myself if I drove their machinery, but the lap times should be reviewed and put into groups that make sense.
Closing speeds on Miata's or similar powered cars is dangerous at times, I feel that run groups should be based on car average lap times so not to hold up other cars. Agreed some epic Miata / Boxster drivers out there way better than myself if I drove their machinery, but the lap times should be reviewed and put into groups that make sense.
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05-25-2023 | 11:33 AM
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The reason for the Pink group that you mention exists is that several years ago (maybe 7 or 8?) Suncoast PCA had a problem brewing in their Black run group that it was a very very crowded space with cars and drivers of varying pace. They had around 200 cars at any given event and a vast majority of them were in advanced solo (Black) so what they decided to do was to split the group based on a minimum lap time. Anyone under 2:30 in advanced solo was put in Pink group and everyone else remained in Black. They also extended the day by an extra 30 minutes so they could fit in all the run groups with equal time. It has been a solution that has worked quite well for them and their drivers.
05-25-2023 | 12:30 PM
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@M13S - a question. Are you saying that a primary response for a lower-powered car that is running faster lap times than higher powered cars, should be to duck in the pits when a driver refuses to give a passing signal? Rather than expecting a the "faster" (but actually slower) car to give a pass?
Of course that's the option if the "faster"/slower car refuses to give the signal, but why wouldn't it be appropriate to educate/remind the driver of said car about the courtesy of letting lower powered cars pass?
Of course that's the option if the "faster"/slower car refuses to give the signal, but why wouldn't it be appropriate to educate/remind the driver of said car about the courtesy of letting lower powered cars pass?
05-25-2023 | 12:46 PM
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@M13S - a question. Are you saying that a primary response for a lower-powered car that is running faster lap times than higher powered cars, should be to duck in the pits when a driver refuses to give a passing signal? Rather than expecting a the "faster" (but actually slower) car to give a pass?
Of course that's the option if the "faster"/slower car refuses to give the signal, but why wouldn't it be appropriate to educate/remind the driver of said car about the courtesy of letting lower powered cars pass?
Of course that's the option if the "faster"/slower car refuses to give the signal, but why wouldn't it be appropriate to educate/remind the driver of said car about the courtesy of letting lower powered cars pass?
