Is the sport in trouble
10-11-2022, 09:18 PM
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That’s not why we instruct Einstein, but then again, WTF does that have to do with self tech?
We instruct because it gives us the right to be condescending power hungry a$$hole douchebags, at least in “your” region anyway.
We also get to self tech, because we instructors have an inbred need to be better than everyone else. It’s how we get set up to become track chairs and region presidents.
They also give us instructors free slicks and pads to make us feel wanted and valued as instructors. That’s why we instruct, at least in “your” region that’s why we do it. Has nothing to do with paying it forward, or other dumb chit like that.
Hell, just last weekend at Lightning, I kicked a couple of out region drivers in the nuts, just to let them know who was boss.
We instruct because it gives us the right to be condescending power hungry a$$hole douchebags, at least in “your” region anyway.
We also get to self tech, because we instructors have an inbred need to be better than everyone else. It’s how we get set up to become track chairs and region presidents.
They also give us instructors free slicks and pads to make us feel wanted and valued as instructors. That’s why we instruct, at least in “your” region that’s why we do it. Has nothing to do with paying it forward, or other dumb chit like that.
Hell, just last weekend at Lightning, I kicked a couple of out region drivers in the nuts, just to let them know who was boss.
10-11-2022, 09:27 PM
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10-11-2022, 10:14 PM
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That’s not why we instruct Einstein, but then again, WTF does that have to do with self tech?
We instruct because it gives us the right to be condescending power hungry a$$hole douchebags, at least in “your” region anyway.
We also get to self tech, because we instructors have an inbred need to be better than everyone else. It’s how we get set up to become track chairs and region presidents.
They also give us instructors free slicks and pads to make us feel wanted and valued as instructors. That’s why we instruct, at least in “your” region that’s why we do it. Has nothing to do with paying it forward, or other dumb chit like that.
Hell, just last weekend at Lightning, I kicked a couple of out region drivers in the nuts, just to let them know who was boss.
We instruct because it gives us the right to be condescending power hungry a$$hole douchebags, at least in “your” region anyway.
We also get to self tech, because we instructors have an inbred need to be better than everyone else. It’s how we get set up to become track chairs and region presidents.
They also give us instructors free slicks and pads to make us feel wanted and valued as instructors. That’s why we instruct, at least in “your” region that’s why we do it. Has nothing to do with paying it forward, or other dumb chit like that.
Hell, just last weekend at Lightning, I kicked a couple of out region drivers in the nuts, just to let them know who was boss.
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10-11-2022, 10:29 PM
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You sure you’re talking about PCA NNJR and not BMW NNJR?
Oh, and as for the Regions 747, only the power hungry North Jersey a$$holes who talk down to out of region folks get to ride that. I apparently qualify for a seat. You my friend do not. You need to change your welcoming ways or it’s nothing but commercial coach for you!!!
10-11-2022, 10:30 PM
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10-12-2022, 08:16 AM
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I don't know whether the sport is in trouble or not. I see conflicting signs, some of which say it is and some of which say it isn't. So I'd say it is unchanged in the aggregate. Regarding NNJR, I can only speak for my own personal experiences. Every time I have been brought in to coach or speak at an NNJR event at Watkins Glen or NJMP, they have been wonderful people. Very welcoming and very sarcastically funny, which is much appreciated from my point of view. Very much into the sport. I have always left with a big smile on my face, and would coach or speak at their events anytime!
Oh, and they always sent their jet for me every single time...
Oh, and they always sent their jet for me every single time...
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10-12-2022, 08:47 AM
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I agree it’s hard to tell. There *are* more options. In New England a couple grass-roots orgs now have a lot more events that cater to a younger crowd, along withTNA, while the many track clubs and higher-end event organizers provide their own draw. I think I could list 20 organizations that can get me on the track and that’s counting all the PCA regions as one. Does PCA need to make changes to stay relevant?
10-12-2022, 08:53 AM
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All PCA and BMW regions and private track orgs that I run with (HOD, Chin, Trackmasters, etc.) were all down this year. All of them.
If they weren't down at the beginning of the season, they were surely down by the end of it. Most felt it all season long. Is what it is.
Lots of folks are in much worse economic shape than they were even just a year ago, let alone 2 years ago. Luxuries such as track days and travel have taken a back seat to necessities, like putting food on the table and paying utility bills, mortgages/rent, education, insurance premiums, etc.
The cost of fuel (towing to the track, used at the track, and towing home from the track) had a lot of people I know cutting down their track days, whether it be DE or racing. Everyone's attendance was down.
At the cost of taking this thread off topic, elections have consequences.....
Still waiting to hear about this "NNJR reputation!!
If they weren't down at the beginning of the season, they were surely down by the end of it. Most felt it all season long. Is what it is.
Lots of folks are in much worse economic shape than they were even just a year ago, let alone 2 years ago. Luxuries such as track days and travel have taken a back seat to necessities, like putting food on the table and paying utility bills, mortgages/rent, education, insurance premiums, etc.
The cost of fuel (towing to the track, used at the track, and towing home from the track) had a lot of people I know cutting down their track days, whether it be DE or racing. Everyone's attendance was down.
At the cost of taking this thread off topic, elections have consequences.....
Still waiting to hear about this "NNJR reputation!!
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10-12-2022, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 991carreradriver
If you are looking for confirmation of a tarnished reputation, simply reach out to the mentor participants in the WGI Black run group on 8/27/22. The conduct of the officiating instructors was disgraceful. It was so bad that the head of the program had to issue an unconditional apology the next morning. While I am one to always accept an apology and let my thick skin shrug it off, not everyone is like me. In 9 years of participating in DE programs, I have never seen more angry folks in one run group. This kind of encounter does not help to maintain or build a reputation. Just my 2c.
10-12-2022, 09:27 AM
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I don't know whether the sport is in trouble or not. I see conflicting signs, some of which say it is and some of which say it isn't. So I'd say it is unchanged in the aggregate. Regarding NNJR, I can only speak for my own personal experiences. Every time I have been brought in to coach or speak at an NNJR event at Watkins Glen or NJMP, they have been wonderful people. Very welcoming and very sarcastically funny, which is much appreciated from my point of view. Very much into the sport. I have always left with a big smile on my face, and would coach or speak at their events anytime!
) with this terrific group of folks.I agree it’s hard to tell. There *are* more options. In New England a couple grass-roots orgs now have a lot more events that cater to a younger crowd, along withTNA, while the many track clubs and higher-end event organizers provide their own draw. I think I could list 20 organizations that can get me on the track and that’s counting all the PCA regions as one. Does PCA need to make changes to stay relevant?
Just a lot more choices, so the total number is not down, just more scattered.
I must be hanging around with the right crowd, because I’m still seeing good turnouts for most events at VIR, even new ones with no history.
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10-12-2022, 10:00 AM
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If you are looking for confirmation of a tarnished reputation, simply reach out to the mentor participants in the WGI Black run group on 8/27/22. The conduct of the officiating instructors was disgraceful. It was so bad that the head of the program had to issue an unconditional apology the next morning. While I am one to always accept an apology and let my thick skin shrug it off, not everyone is like me. In 9 years of participating in DE programs, I have never seen more angry folks in one run group. This kind of encounter does not help to maintain or build a reputation. Just my 2c.
It was awful and should have never happened. Not sure what caused it, but I’ve done a hundred NNJR events and never saw that before. Agree, was a terrible way to be talked to. To me, that’s a one off, but I haven’t been around forever, but I never saw that before and haven’t seen it since.
You are 100% correct. It was awful.
That being said, if that’s what’s causing the so called “bad” reputation, then that reputation is about a month old.
There was no excuse for that, but it was one isolated incident. Not sure anyone was more pissed off than I was after that meeting.
Shoulda never happened. You are correct, but I would hardly call that a reputation. My .02.
10-12-2022, 10:00 AM
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I don't know whether the sport is in trouble or not. I see conflicting signs, some of which say it is and some of which say it isn't. So I'd say it is unchanged in the aggregate. Regarding NNJR, I can only speak for my own personal experiences. Every time I have been brought in to coach or speak at an NNJR event at Watkins Glen or NJMP, they have been wonderful people. Very welcoming and very sarcastically funny, which is much appreciated from my point of view. Very much into the sport. I have always left with a big smile on my face, and would coach or speak at their events anytime!
Oh, and they always sent their jet for me every single time...
Oh, and they always sent their jet for me every single time...
10-12-2022, 10:02 AM
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