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Wow, I thought there were lots of Karen's already participating on RL?
Now, lets talk about risk of right seat instructing
Is the risk of dying from;
a. Heart attack after driver misses late breaking point at over __________ MPH
or
b. Student does not wear a face covering under his/her/___ full face helmet causing stress and anxiety and heart attack is the result for instructor
Which is more likely?
Now, lets talk about risk of right seat instructing
Is the risk of dying from;
a. Heart attack after driver misses late breaking point at over __________ MPH
or
b. Student does not wear a face covering under his/her/___ full face helmet causing stress and anxiety and heart attack is the result for instructor
Which is more likely?
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Does this thread make me look fat?
The way I see it - I was not objecting to opinions different from my own. I'm just trying to stay on topic, and TO ME some of the comments were going in a different direction (as Manifold correctly stated - thanks).
It's always interesting to see how people interpret words, and how we all might see the same statement(s) a bit differently (or a lot differently).
I'll just say that some of what I read had nothing to do with instructing (reference to Nov 4 as one example). I'm not going to belabor the point.
Obviously I hit a nerve. Geez you guys can be SO SENSITIVE! < (yes I'm going for irony because a WOMAN said that!)
I genuinely appreciate all the comments, and the humor.
As for my gender, I don't "hide" it but I also don't go out of my way to mention it. I have transparently offered the "female" point of view on some occasions, but most of these threads are "gender neutral".
Carry on....
The way I see it - I was not objecting to opinions different from my own. I'm just trying to stay on topic, and TO ME some of the comments were going in a different direction (as Manifold correctly stated - thanks).
It's always interesting to see how people interpret words, and how we all might see the same statement(s) a bit differently (or a lot differently).
I'll just say that some of what I read had nothing to do with instructing (reference to Nov 4 as one example). I'm not going to belabor the point.
Obviously I hit a nerve. Geez you guys can be SO SENSITIVE! < (yes I'm going for irony because a WOMAN said that!)
I genuinely appreciate all the comments, and the humor.
As for my gender, I don't "hide" it but I also don't go out of my way to mention it. I have transparently offered the "female" point of view on some occasions, but most of these threads are "gender neutral".
Carry on....
#78
I am an instructor with a number of different groups (PCA, NASA, CHIN etc) and am a racer. I am young, fit and healthy, but I do understand that others may not be and I do not want to risk them. After very careful thought, discussions with my wife and full consideration given to all the risks inherent to instructing including the additional potential risk due to the circumstances I have decided that I will still instruct in the right seat (if offered) but will take a number of additional steps to protect myself, my family and my student.
I will use a new or fully sanitized student earpiece/mic every day that will be his/hers for the duration. I will only instruct one student per event. I will only enter the car with my balaclava, helmet and gloves on and ask that all surfaces be sanitized. I will not conduct download meetings in the car. I will be tested before I go to the track to instruct and I will continue to closely monitor my own health for any signs. I will social distance everywhere possible and always wear a mask. I will also take any additional steps necessary to further mitigate the risks to myself and others. Some of these might be overkill, some might be underkill, but this is what I have decided and am comfortable with. This also assumes that we are even allowed.
I will also participate in and do my best to embrace alternative forms of instructing, such as lead-follow, data review and so on. I don't mind the extra wear and tear on my race car, gas, tires etc and gladly offer it up so that I and others can continue to enjoy this great sport which I owe so much to.
I will use a new or fully sanitized student earpiece/mic every day that will be his/hers for the duration. I will only instruct one student per event. I will only enter the car with my balaclava, helmet and gloves on and ask that all surfaces be sanitized. I will not conduct download meetings in the car. I will be tested before I go to the track to instruct and I will continue to closely monitor my own health for any signs. I will social distance everywhere possible and always wear a mask. I will also take any additional steps necessary to further mitigate the risks to myself and others. Some of these might be overkill, some might be underkill, but this is what I have decided and am comfortable with. This also assumes that we are even allowed.
I will also participate in and do my best to embrace alternative forms of instructing, such as lead-follow, data review and so on. I don't mind the extra wear and tear on my race car, gas, tires etc and gladly offer it up so that I and others can continue to enjoy this great sport which I owe so much to.
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dgrobs (05-28-2020)
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I think as long as there are rules on place to keep everyone safe the market should decide what happens.
There will be a pool of people who will feel comfortable instructing and a pool of people who feel comfortable being instructed. What that number will be compared to pre-Covid-19 numbers is anyone's guess but I am thinking it will be much less.
That being said, do regions run in-car instructor run groups as well as lead-follow run groups? At the same time or separate? Does that work out?
Intertwined with the safety issue is money. Can we create a financially sounds model which allows people to enjoy themselves in a way that makes sense for these track days to continue. Currently, the three track days I am registered for in the next couple of weeks are all solo drivers only.
Lastly, I think 90% of this conversation is academic. By the time PCA and other groups figure out protocols and insurance most of the season will be over (for those of us in colder regions). My thought is by next year they have some kind of Covid-19 version of tamiflu which means the risk from getting it goes way down. At that point we will be back to normal and the whole discussion about lead/follow goes away.
There will be a pool of people who will feel comfortable instructing and a pool of people who feel comfortable being instructed. What that number will be compared to pre-Covid-19 numbers is anyone's guess but I am thinking it will be much less.
That being said, do regions run in-car instructor run groups as well as lead-follow run groups? At the same time or separate? Does that work out?
Intertwined with the safety issue is money. Can we create a financially sounds model which allows people to enjoy themselves in a way that makes sense for these track days to continue. Currently, the three track days I am registered for in the next couple of weeks are all solo drivers only.
Lastly, I think 90% of this conversation is academic. By the time PCA and other groups figure out protocols and insurance most of the season will be over (for those of us in colder regions). My thought is by next year they have some kind of Covid-19 version of tamiflu which means the risk from getting it goes way down. At that point we will be back to normal and the whole discussion about lead/follow goes away.
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85Gold (05-31-2020)
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I have no issues instructing in a right seat with all reasonable precautions that were discussed. I will have more risk driving to the track in worn NT01s. I will of cause entertain any alternative forms of instructions.There are some technologies for communicating cars to cars.
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I think as long as there are rules on place to keep everyone safe the market should decide what happens.
There will be a pool of people who will feel comfortable instructing and a pool of people who feel comfortable being instructed. What that number will be compared to pre-Covid-19 numbers is anyone's guess but I am thinking it will be much less.
That being said, do regions run in-car instructor run groups as well as lead-follow run groups? At the same time or separate? Does that work out?
Intertwined with the safety issue is money. Can we create a financially sounds model which allows people to enjoy themselves in a way that makes sense for these track days to continue. Currently, the three track days I am registered for in the next couple of weeks are all solo drivers only.
Lastly, I think 90% of this conversation is academic. By the time PCA and other groups figure out protocols and insurance most of the season will be over (for those of us in colder regions). My thought is by next year they have some kind of Covid-19 version of tamiflu which means the risk from getting it goes way down. At that point we will be back to normal and the whole discussion about lead/follow goes away.
There will be a pool of people who will feel comfortable instructing and a pool of people who feel comfortable being instructed. What that number will be compared to pre-Covid-19 numbers is anyone's guess but I am thinking it will be much less.
That being said, do regions run in-car instructor run groups as well as lead-follow run groups? At the same time or separate? Does that work out?
Intertwined with the safety issue is money. Can we create a financially sounds model which allows people to enjoy themselves in a way that makes sense for these track days to continue. Currently, the three track days I am registered for in the next couple of weeks are all solo drivers only.
Lastly, I think 90% of this conversation is academic. By the time PCA and other groups figure out protocols and insurance most of the season will be over (for those of us in colder regions). My thought is by next year they have some kind of Covid-19 version of tamiflu which means the risk from getting it goes way down. At that point we will be back to normal and the whole discussion about lead/follow goes away.