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Old 07-18-2019, 12:39 PM
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Just curious, what kind of car can brake inside the 2 marker on turn 14?
Old 07-18-2019, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Obturate
Just curious, what kind of car can brake inside the 2 marker on turn 14?
Right at the 2 marker:

Many formula style cars shouldn't have an issue being there or under.
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Originally Posted by Obturate
Just curious, what kind of car can brake inside the 2 marker on turn 14?
Ummm, many... I’m braking right shoulder even with the arrow. My car (but not me) is light, though.

It’s more than seven HUNDRED feet between right shoulder at the 2 mark and turn-in, more like 765 to the apex.

Because people can’t see it, and because they’re not braking efficiently, they tend to take far more distance to scrub off the same speed differential they do going into T1.

I’ve seen numerous production based cars at speeds greater than the mustang slow in plenty of time to negotiate the corner optimally.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Continuing to track the car at full tilt with a known significant brake problem would be even worse than making an error in missing his brake point.
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Originally Posted by Obturate
Just curious, what kind of car can brake inside the 1 marker on turn 14?
Fixed and hand raised although not at 153.
Old 07-18-2019, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DTMiller
Fixed and hand raised although not at 153.
I won't be trying it.
Old 07-18-2019, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Obturate
Just curious, what kind of car can brake inside the 2 marker on turn 14?
Many cars can. In a spec Boxster it's about the 2/3 point but I need to carry braking all the way. I have no idea why he didn't follow the track and stay on them. He should have been able to whao it up enough to go over the top gently if not make the turn.
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Originally Posted by 38D
The Mustang brakes much later on the fateful lap (~1.5 vs all prior laps at the 3). That’s a big difference at 150+ mph. But I don’t see that he wasn’t driving so bad as to warrant torches and pitchforks; he just made a mistake which can happen to anyone.
What is sobering as I see it there is only about ~9-10mph difference from prior laps and making the turn to the last one going off. (still his last attempt to go right while in the grass is the most painful to watch)

Torches are to shed light and pitchforks are for punishment. In this case he passed them out for others to use against him. Was it a blasse attitude or lies? Lies for others or for ones own sake? Contrition is one of the many things my Father taught me through spankings, ney, whooppings.
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Originally Posted by DTMiller
Never gonna give it up to 40 pages. (I even un-muted)
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Originally Posted by Obturate
Just curious, what kind of car can brake inside the 2 marker on turn 14?
I do in my 991 GT3 on Hoosiers. It’s doing close to 159 there. Right around the 2 mark is where I brake and the car is very stable and controllable.

like other have said, I am not sure why he didn’t try to turn the car while on the brake.
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Originally Posted by mmuller

like other have said, I am not sure why he didn’t try to turn the car while on the brake.
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Originally Posted by Obturate
Just curious, what kind of car can brake inside the 2 marker on turn 14?
I would think most cars with decent pads, tires, and pilot can do this. I'm braking at the 2 marker in a SpecE46 with MCS singles, Toyo RR, and PFC 08 pads at 134 mph:

A little deeper in the 993:

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Originally Posted by 996SPECticle
Torches are to shed light and pitchforks are for punishment. In this case he passed them out for others to use against him. Was it a blasse attitude or lies? Lies for others or for ones own sake? Contrition is one of the many things my Father taught me through spankings, ney, whooppings.
Well said. Fantastic. Maybe a win for the thread
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Originally Posted by Paddy
I would think most cars with decent pads, tires, and pilot can do this. I'm braking at the 2 marker in a SpecE46 with MCS singles, Toyo RR, and PFC 08 pads at 134 mph:

A little deeper in the 993:
Agreed.

I've been in that 993 at that track!
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Lots of cars/drivers can brake at the 2 marker. The question seems to be how far past the 2 marker most cars/drivers can brake. I'd be surprised if many can do it at the 1, and the consequences of trying and finding out that you can't do it can be pretty bad, as these two drivers discovered.


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