11 Road Courses in TX per July C&D issue
#2
Originally Posted by ExMB
1) How old is that number?
2) Who can name'em all?
COTA
MSRC
ECR
H2R
MSRH
....
2) Who can name'em all?
COTA
MSRC
ECR
H2R
MSRH
....
Grandsport speedway
TMS
Driveway Austin
Of course the best of them all was TWS (RIP)
#5
There are 3 massive facilities down by ft stockton/marfa one of which has probably 6 tracks alone at it for private testing.
#6
#7
Don't forget that Hallett doesn't have one either this year. Seems that clubracing is not drawing the numbers it did in the past, that the increase in costs to put one one when taken with the attendance numbers may make it a loss for the region.
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#9
It’s always been a challenge to break even on club races in this part of the world. We’re too far away from the major population centers to draw very many out of zone racers. With the exception of cota the first year, it has always taken a sizable DE registration to keep club races out of the red in The ArkLaTex.
#10
It’s always been a challenge to break even on club races in this part of the world. We’re too far away from the major population centers to draw very many out of zone racers. With the exception of cota the first year, it has always taken a sizable DE registration to keep club races out of the red in The ArkLaTex.
I was shocked when we went to NOLA and the CR was <30 cars, I don't think Heartland was much different -- and half of that the SPB/944 crowd.
Last year was my first COTA race with ~35 SPBs, this year maybe 25. Ouch.
On the other hand -- if cost is an issue -- having more local races should be the answer as opposed to incurring significant hauling costs -- and extra vacation time.
I don't mind sharing the track with the DE crowd -- but I'm sure that has its challenges with the CR folks being Instructors as well.
Be interesting to know what the ebb and flows to the numbers are -- the crowd of racers are typically aged where family matters come into play.
My guess is brownie points are at a premium over greenbacks.
Mike
#11
It’s always been a challenge to break even on club races in this part of the world. We’re too far away from the major population centers to draw very many out of zone racers. With the exception of cota the first year, it has always taken a sizable DE registration to keep club races out of the red in The ArkLaTex.
#12
Losing NOLA hit me personally hard -- as I've been jonesing to get there for years -- and the first year I can make it..... go figure.
I was shocked when we went to NOLA and the CR was <30 cars, I don't think Heartland was much different -- and half of that the SPB/944 crowd.
Last year was my first COTA race with ~35 SPBs, this year maybe 25. Ouch.
On the other hand -- if cost is an issue -- having more local races should be the answer as opposed to incurring significant hauling costs -- and extra vacation time.
I don't mind sharing the track with the DE crowd -- but I'm sure that has its challenges with the CR folks being Instructors as well.
Be interesting to know what the ebb and flows to the numbers are -- the crowd of racers are typically aged where family matters come into play.
My guess is brownie points are at a premium over greenbacks.
Mike
I was shocked when we went to NOLA and the CR was <30 cars, I don't think Heartland was much different -- and half of that the SPB/944 crowd.
Last year was my first COTA race with ~35 SPBs, this year maybe 25. Ouch.
On the other hand -- if cost is an issue -- having more local races should be the answer as opposed to incurring significant hauling costs -- and extra vacation time.
I don't mind sharing the track with the DE crowd -- but I'm sure that has its challenges with the CR folks being Instructors as well.
Be interesting to know what the ebb and flows to the numbers are -- the crowd of racers are typically aged where family matters come into play.
My guess is brownie points are at a premium over greenbacks.
Mike
#13
COTA the first year was a bucket list item (I was there). Lets not forget the issues that surfaced during that event that migrated into the following events and are still being addressed today in some fashion. I agree with you that DE'ers were needed to make a clubrace successful. But at the same token DE'ers are treated as second class IMHO; not only in track time lost but also in how the track schedule was layed out for them. It takes both factions to make it successful. I heard that HPT this year even included an instructed DE portion, in addition to the advanced, to help out with the event. It also doesn't help that PCA seems to be pushing inclusion of vintage without a real feasibility study in the region they propose it to.
I know and understand -- I was a DE participant pryer -- and saw the effects.
From a DE perspective PCA is trying to improve via SchnellFest -- but the Texas PCA Club Racing is struggling. I know a lot of folks seriously considering NASA as at least a parallel gig --
So that tells me there is the desire to race more ...
Mike
#14
I know and understand -- I was a DE participant pryer -- and saw the effects.
From a DE perspective PCA is trying to improve via SchnellFest -- but the Texas PCA Club Racing is struggling. I know a lot of folks seriously considering NASA as at least a parallel gig --
So that tells me there is the desire to race more ...
Mike
From a DE perspective PCA is trying to improve via SchnellFest -- but the Texas PCA Club Racing is struggling. I know a lot of folks seriously considering NASA as at least a parallel gig --
So that tells me there is the desire to race more ...
Mike
The other issue you mention is lack of events for PCA clubracing and that those few willing are exploring other options. That tells me that numbers are dwindling and that regions with the know how and tracks can't seem to make it work financially without the necessary needed numbers of entrants. Less and less are willing to undertake a day's travel to and from to participate.
#15
... all because less and less people want to race with PCA. Happening at all tracks everywhere for PCA.
Anyone else wondering why that is?
I have a few theories. And I've heard a few theories.
But I have listened to the bitching in the paddock. And online. And via txtmsg. And phone calls. And I've done some of the bitching myself...
I'll say it again, less and less people want to race with PCA.
Who is PCA? For the person who is club racing, who is PCA? PCA is the other racers, the local/regional volunteers, and the people in charge (the people in charge are the National Race Staff, the on site Stewards and the Race organizers - yes i know they are volunteers as well).
I'm quite certain that the other racers are the big draw.
And the local/regional volunteers largely are a positive experience.
Anyone else wondering why that is?
I have a few theories. And I've heard a few theories.
But I have listened to the bitching in the paddock. And online. And via txtmsg. And phone calls. And I've done some of the bitching myself...
I'll say it again, less and less people want to race with PCA.
Who is PCA? For the person who is club racing, who is PCA? PCA is the other racers, the local/regional volunteers, and the people in charge (the people in charge are the National Race Staff, the on site Stewards and the Race organizers - yes i know they are volunteers as well).
I'm quite certain that the other racers are the big draw.
And the local/regional volunteers largely are a positive experience.