Nizer

Listen to post-race interview. The question was asked and Hammy said he couldn't get it done. Tires and brakes were toast.

Circuit Motorsports

I had an interesting discussion elsewhere so riddle me this.

If Vettel had not gone off course there but cut across Hamilton on corner exit it causing Hamilton to hit the brakes to avoid contact it would have been open and shut case of dangerous move/blocking and people wouldn't be complaining that the penalty wasn't unjustified.

However, Vettel was 'out of control' according the people here and around the internet and racing world and because of that, he shouldn't be considered at fault.

How does not being in control give someone a pass for cutting someone off?


As for the thread title, can we leave spoilers out. And falsehoods. It was a boring race.

ajcjr

i feel the same way, if he didnt control it the way he did both of them may have been out of the race, total bs.

Matt Lane

Interesting to read and hear the viewpoints of persons with actual driving experience in F1 and elsewhere at the highest levels... even the Hamilton fans... they near universally confirm what I/we saw... penalty was a lousy call.

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ajcjr

dude, if you or me were in the position we are in the wall, i dont think anyone of us could have digested what was going on and make any decisions as fast as Vettel did. he did what he had to do otherwise it would have been much worse for both cars.. With all the downforce on these cars letting off the gas while on the grass would probably make things a lot worse. When do you have your driving classes, hopefully Vettel is free so you can help him with his driving. ..

ProCoach

Hah! I see that in SCCA, PCA Club Racing, NASA, even Historics. It’s about entitlement, not “taking your medicine” or owning up to a mistake in hobby racing. In top level pro racing, it’s about staying ahead of the competition, at nearly all costs.

I don’t think Seb was thinking about anything other than regaining control of the car, which he did. The hangdog face worn by LH after confirmed that he knew that, too.

winders

Do you understand the penalty? He was penalized because he had rejoined the track in an unsafe manner. This is a "choice" penalty. It assumes he could have somehow rejoined the race in a safe manner. Unless, of course, you think he should be penalized for making the mistake that caused this whole incident. I don't think that is a bridge you want to cross.....

ajcjr

But did they speak to HF1 on how Vettel could have drove differently.

MSR Racer

You haven’t raced hard enough!

fatbillybob

Bring back grid girls step in right direction...

fatbillybob

But if Rossberg is correct it won't matter anyway. He thinks Ferrari is good on a couple of power tracks and not the average F1 track and Ferrari have designed in the wrong direction. I never liked that guy but he is pretty smart and I think an engineer too so better than most understanding of vehicle dynamics.

Circuit Motorsports

Where does it say choice anywhere in the ruling?

Rejoining the track out of control is pretty good example of rejoining in an unsafe manner FWIW.

LuigiVampa

Yeah, unfortunately title said it all and ruined the race for me as I knew the outcome once the incident happened.

To those thinking Vettel did it on purpose - did he do the little wiggle coming off the grass to sell it or (and I'm just putting this out there) he didn't have full control of his car? I don't think he drove Hammy to the wall. I think he was trying to save the car.

Circuit Motorsports

Does the rule say the driver has to be doing something intentionally?

I don't think Vettel intentionally cutoff Hamilton. But it obviously did cause Hamilton to lift and what would have been an easy pass never happened. At a non-street circuit Hamilton would have gone three feet wider and been on his merry way to the next turn ahead of Vettel.

mdrums

Another boring F1 race...only thing to talk about is the F1 Stewards call....