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I can only think that Horner doesn't want an RBR mid-season driver's battle. I can only imagine that Kvyat would have a lot to prove if he were to regain his old seat at RBR and that has the potential to create friction with Max , which may potentially spill over onto the track (contact between both RBR cars) as Kyvat races Max hard over the last 9 races to establish himself. With Albon, a clear pecking order is in place and Albon knows his job is to shoot for 6th place and run interference between Merc/Ferrari for Max's benefit. RBR has a clear #1 and side-kick #2 vs. two dueling drivers. It also sends a nice message to Max, "You are our clear #1" vs. providing him with in-house competition as he mulls his career beyond 2020.
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Wow, this is pretty drastic at mid-season. Hope Gasly doesn't implode like Kyvat did when he got demoted. Gasly has shown signs of brilliance in the past. But he has also shown signs of being lost.
We'll see if Albon can handle the pressure of being Max's teammate and can keep a closer gap to him in qualifying and the race.
This could be a rotating door to see who can match Max's pace at Red Bull. Next up....Kyvat!!
We'll see if Albon can handle the pressure of being Max's teammate and can keep a closer gap to him in qualifying and the race.
This could be a rotating door to see who can match Max's pace at Red Bull. Next up....Kyvat!!
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that was before Gasly lack of pace cost Verstappen the victory in Hungary... if Gasly would have been within 20s of Hamilton then they wouldn't have been able to pull of the pitstop trick.
also his lack of points makes the small gap to Ferrari unsurmountable in the constructor standings. cant have a McLaren finish in front of you......
also his lack of points makes the small gap to Ferrari unsurmountable in the constructor standings. cant have a McLaren finish in front of you......
I don't think Gasly would say he was not treated fairly, a case maybe LeClerc or Bottas might be able to make but he was never a close enough threat to be given an order.
Red Bull being kind of isolated from the silly season with their own driver bench, I doubt this news has any ripple that effects anybody else.
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#364
Pg& dk should start new clothing line "team castoffs". Dk is doing well. I'm not convinced albon is faster the DK. But I think the other poster is right. Dk would try to prove his way back cause friction with max. Albon will do exactly what the team tells him to do like masa and barrichello.
#365
Pg& dk should start new clothing line "team castoffs". Dk is doing well. I'm not convinced albon is faster the DK. But I think the other poster is right. Dk would try to prove his way back cause friction with max. Albon will do exactly what the team tells him to do like masa and barrichello.
#366
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teams don't need a prost and senna on one team.... having a Hamilton and a Bottas works just fine
getting a solid nr2 next to Max that gets the occasional pole/victory but otherwise specializes in taking points from the Merc and Ferrari boys is just perfect. Ricardo was great but figured money was more important than where he starts/finishes races
getting a solid nr2 next to Max that gets the occasional pole/victory but otherwise specializes in taking points from the Merc and Ferrari boys is just perfect. Ricardo was great but figured money was more important than where he starts/finishes races
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I can only think that Horner doesn't want an RBR mid-season driver's battle. I can only imagine that Kvyat would have a lot to prove if he were to regain his old seat at RBR and that has the potential to create friction with Max , which may potentially spill over onto the track (contact between both RBR cars) as Kyvat races Max hard over the last 9 races to establish himself. With Albon, a clear pecking order is in place and Albon knows his job is to shoot for 6th place and run interference between Merc/Ferrari for Max's benefit. RBR has a clear #1 and side-kick #2 vs. two dueling drivers. It also sends a nice message to Max, "You are our clear #1" vs. providing him with in-house competition as he mulls his career beyond 2020.
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teams don't need a prost and senna on one team.... having a Hamilton and a Bottas works just fine
getting a solid nr2 next to Max that gets the occasional pole/victory but otherwise specializes in taking points from the Merc and Ferrari boys is just perfect. Ricardo was great but figured money was more important than where he starts/finishes races
getting a solid nr2 next to Max that gets the occasional pole/victory but otherwise specializes in taking points from the Merc and Ferrari boys is just perfect. Ricardo was great but figured money was more important than where he starts/finishes races
FWIW, Kvyat would have made a good #2. Albon might be over his skis at this point, especially against a killer like Verstappen. Once the .5 to 1.0 second per lap deficits start taking place, it might have done more harm than good to bring him up after just 12 races in F1.
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Well, seems to me Albon was coming around and just about equal measure of Kvyat.
As a team, you couldn't ask for a more controlled test.
If Kvyat dusts off Gasly, he's history and that means Albon and Kvyat are both better prospects.
If Albon is closer to Max, makes less mistakes and is more consistent, then he's a better call than Gasly.
Barring any adaptation problems either have switching cars but, they are both Honda powered and virtually the same team.
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As a team, you couldn't ask for a more controlled test.
If Kvyat dusts off Gasly, he's history and that means Albon and Kvyat are both better prospects.
If Albon is closer to Max, makes less mistakes and is more consistent, then he's a better call than Gasly.
Barring any adaptation problems either have switching cars but, they are both Honda powered and virtually the same team.
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I think it's an easy call when you look at the WCC and where RBR would be with a legit #2 driver behind Max. He's obviously amazing, but with that package the #2 driver should be close and adding to the team point tally, which is where the $$ part of it all comes in, IIRC.
I was hoping for DK, but Albon has been great this season, and it'll be quite the test for the guy. If he excels, it's the right call by Helmut/Christian, and if not, well they just promote DK next year. Can't wait for the second half of the season!
I was hoping for DK, but Albon has been great this season, and it'll be quite the test for the guy. If he excels, it's the right call by Helmut/Christian, and if not, well they just promote DK next year. Can't wait for the second half of the season!
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I think it's an easy call when you look at the WCC and where RBR would be with a legit #2 driver behind Max. He's obviously amazing, but with that package the #2 driver should be close and adding to the team point tally, which is where the $$ part of it all comes in, IIRC.
I was hoping for DK, but Albon has been great this season, and it'll be quite the test for the guy. If he excels, it's the right call by Helmut/Christian, and if not, well they just promote DK next year. Can't wait for the second half of the season!
I was hoping for DK, but Albon has been great this season, and it'll be quite the test for the guy. If he excels, it's the right call by Helmut/Christian, and if not, well they just promote DK next year. Can't wait for the second half of the season!
There's always the possibility that the car is 3rd tier and that's the best anybody else they plug in may get out of it, a 5th/6th or even lower if luck plays any part in a random Alfa, Mac, etc finish.
Maybe Max is just that good...?
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This popped up on my feed today and parallels somewhat the circumstances that happened during the last race between Red Bull who was leading and Mercedes who was trailing, ironically, also in Hungary. Keep in mind, they had refueling back then:
1998 Hungarian Grand Prix
A classic example of just how well Michael Schumacher and the whole Ferrari team just gelled together. Running third for the first half of the race, the team decided the only way to have a chance of beating the McLaren’s was to switch from a two-stop to a three-stop strategy.
Schumacher pitted early for his second stop and by the time McLaren realised, it was too late - Schumacher got the undercut and was in the lead. With another stop still to make, the hard work was yet to come - he had just 19 laps to pull out a 25 second lead over the McLarens.
A classic example of just how well Michael Schumacher and the whole Ferrari team just gelled together. Running third for the first half of the race, the team decided the only way to have a chance of beating the McLaren’s was to switch from a two-stop to a three-stop strategy.
Schumacher pitted early for his second stop and by the time McLaren realised, it was too late - Schumacher got the undercut and was in the lead. With another stop still to make, the hard work was yet to come - he had just 19 laps to pull out a 25 second lead over the McLarens.
With Mika Hakkinen dropping back with a suspension problem it was left to David Coulthard to prevent Schumacher from winning - and he couldn’t manage it. Schumacher banged out qualifying lap after qualifying lap, his car visibly on the edge. It worked - he pitted again, emerged in the lead (despite running off the road at one point) and went on to win by nine seconds.