The Gentleman Driver
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Just watched it, and it was quite well done. I noted that with the exception of Dalla Lana, most of the other gentleman drivers suspended their racing efforts after a season or two which made we wonder what the average "career" of a gentleman driver is. do these guys last only a season or two...or longer? Anybody in the know care to chime in?
#17
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I know it's common for folks who've never been in the position to believe the "just show up with a big check book and they'll let you in", but the real world doesn't work that way... well not exactly. There's plenty of people racing who shouldn't be, regardless of their checkbook levels... but they didn't just show up over night at the biggest races.
-mike
#18
You're missing the fact that they don't just decide to go racing and show up at Le Mans for a season or 2 and then quit. It's takes *years* of practice for Gentleman/women drivers to reach the point they're even remotely qualified to run races like the 24 Hours of Le Mans. After doing it for a few years and plateauing in your performance and dealing with the ridiculous politics of being an "Amateur" it's pretty easy to lose a bit of interest. As soon as you start to lose *any* interest, it's hard to justify not only the money, but the time it takes to prepare and participate at the top levels of sports car racing. Keep in mind, in most cases, what got these people to the point they could pay to race, was they're fiercely competitive. Just driving around being slow generally doesn't hold much interest.
I know it's common for folks who've never been in the position to believe the "just show up with a big check book and they'll let you in", but the real world doesn't work that way... well not exactly. There's plenty of people racing who shouldn't be, regardless of their checkbook levels... but they didn't just show up over night at the biggest races.
-mike
I know it's common for folks who've never been in the position to believe the "just show up with a big check book and they'll let you in", but the real world doesn't work that way... well not exactly. There's plenty of people racing who shouldn't be, regardless of their checkbook levels... but they didn't just show up over night at the biggest races.
-mike
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You're missing the fact that they don't just decide to go racing and show up at Le Mans for a season or 2 and then quit. It's takes *years* of practice for Gentleman/women drivers to reach the point they're even remotely qualified to run races like the 24 Hours of Le Mans. After doing it for a few years and plateauing in your performance and dealing with the ridiculous politics of being an "Amateur" it's pretty easy to lose a bit of interest. As soon as you start to lose *any* interest, it's hard to justify not only the money, but the time it takes to prepare and participate at the top levels of sports car racing. Keep in mind, in most cases, what got these people to the point they could pay to race, was they're fiercely competitive. Just driving around being slow generally doesn't hold much interest.
I know it's common for folks who've never been in the position to believe the "just show up with a big check book and they'll let you in", but the real world doesn't work that way... well not exactly. There's plenty of people racing who shouldn't be, regardless of their checkbook levels... but they didn't just show up over night at the biggest races.
-mike
I know it's common for folks who've never been in the position to believe the "just show up with a big check book and they'll let you in", but the real world doesn't work that way... well not exactly. There's plenty of people racing who shouldn't be, regardless of their checkbook levels... but they didn't just show up over night at the biggest races.
-mike
#21
Originally Posted by Akunob
This makes sense Mike, it just seems like some of these gentlemen drivers have maybe a year or two of coaching and then they get a seat on the big stage. I remember watching a documentary about Patrick Dempsey and it seemed like he picked up the interest in racing and within a year or so was driving at Le Mans. Either way I think it’s cool that they get to live their (and our) dream of top flight racing!
I am sure that somewhere in the world some guy shows up with a suitcase of cash and zero experience and is allowed to drive, but not Dempsey or the guys in Gentleman Driver. They all put in the years and the hard work to drive at that stage. Make no mistake those guys are very very good. But racing takes money and they also have that.
#22
I was impressed that some of the guys in the documentary were driving prototype cars. Even forgetting about the skill involved in driving such cars, it's impressive that these guys could handle the physical demands of driving something with serious downforce, especially considering their ages.
#23
Dempsey had been racing Mazda's and such for years before the LeMans documentary.
I am sure that somewhere in the world some guy shows up with a suitcase of cash and zero experience and is allowed to drive, but not Dempsey or the guys in Gentleman Driver. They all put in the years and the hard work to drive at that stage. Make no mistake those guys are very very good. But racing takes money and they also have that.
I am sure that somewhere in the world some guy shows up with a suitcase of cash and zero experience and is allowed to drive, but not Dempsey or the guys in Gentleman Driver. They all put in the years and the hard work to drive at that stage. Make no mistake those guys are very very good. But racing takes money and they also have that.
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I know it's common for folks who've never been in the position to believe the "just show up with a big check book and they'll let you in", but the real world doesn't work that way... well not exactly. There's plenty of people racing who shouldn't be, regardless of their checkbook levels... but they didn't just show up over night at the biggest races.
-mike
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If he went from Miata to prototype racing, he must have had a lot of coaching to learn to trust the aero.
#26
watched the movie the other night, it was ok. Basically watching a few incredibly wealthy people with huge crews to support them having some fun, not really insightful. What's new about some arrive and drive guys? The big difference is the scope of money that they spend compared to a typical arrive and drive club racer, so what?. One guy here acted like he was going to propose to one of them, jesus,
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I thought this was really well done. Just the right mix of showing what drives these guys, a little bit about their businesses, and how they interact with the pros.
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Doc ran bit long I thought after main points made. Biggest revelation was what John Hindhaugh looks like.