Porsche Air-Cooled Cup USA Series
01-23-2019, 05:50 PM
#227
Drifting
Participation in GT may increase in the short term because people left out in the class split up who don't want to spend money to go slower, or continue to participate in a diluted class, could end up in GT if the car counts are higher and the racing is good. At least that what I've seen happen in the past... Long term is a different story.
01-23-2019, 05:57 PM
#228
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Originally Posted by Streak
Something to think about in all this as far as run groups, putting E cars on slower tires is going to back them up into the next slower class. That will be very frustrating for both considering the driving dynamics.
So here's where I beg the run grouping gods to please please please please, one more time, please always put SPB with SP1-3.
So here's where I beg the run grouping gods to please please please please, one more time, please always put SPB with SP1-3.
01-23-2019, 09:34 PM
#230
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Of course the vast majority of people will run the R7 when their competitors are doing so. People don't typically want to race the slowest vehicle. That doesn't prove that they'd prefer to do it if they could run a spec tire that would reduce their costs and put less wear/tear on their vehicle.
I'm curious why Accumoto is getting so much hate? Less wear/tear means less business for a repair shop right? Are they profiting off the sale of these tires or something?
Reading between the lines it seems that hf1 basically summed up what's going on.
I'm curious why Accumoto is getting so much hate? Less wear/tear means less business for a repair shop right? Are they profiting off the sale of these tires or something?
Reading between the lines it seems that hf1 basically summed up what's going on.
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01-24-2019, 12:14 PM
#231
Three Wheelin'
Vintage, it seems. I have a 914/6 GT4 (see my avatar) car that I wouldn't really consider to be in the spirit of vintage. Not sure where I'll be racing it once I get I have time to focus on it and get it running again.
01-24-2019, 02:02 PM
#232
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https://pcaclubracing.org/vintage/
01-24-2019, 03:49 PM
#233
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Fully understand Clarke, and in reality there are not that many D cars left running out there. I think the only hope for a D Stock car (even with the best air-cooled drivers in PCA) in the cup series would be no weight limit and even then with E lowering weights I don't think that would even get a D car close to the front.
01-24-2019, 07:23 PM
#234
Burning Brakes
I wish for PCA to have given the proposal to combine the letter classes into one big group through some sort of BOP (add/remove weight as needed) a
little more consideration. And maybe there’s still time for 2020. I think that’s the solution to smaller fields in each letter class. I personally think it’s a mistake to separate E class into effectively two classes. If PCA and more importantly the majority of racers think that making one tire the spec tire is important in keeping costs down then by all means go and do that but make sure that works for the majority of drivers. I will race where the field is bigger and if that’s E that’s where I’ll be.
PCA has an opportunity now to to listen to the drivers, and from what I’m hearing all they want is for PCA to find a way to combine the letter classes for the 911 cars. I don’t think it’s impossible to do. Find a way
little more consideration. And maybe there’s still time for 2020. I think that’s the solution to smaller fields in each letter class. I personally think it’s a mistake to separate E class into effectively two classes. If PCA and more importantly the majority of racers think that making one tire the spec tire is important in keeping costs down then by all means go and do that but make sure that works for the majority of drivers. I will race where the field is bigger and if that’s E that’s where I’ll be.
PCA has an opportunity now to to listen to the drivers, and from what I’m hearing all they want is for PCA to find a way to combine the letter classes for the 911 cars. I don’t think it’s impossible to do. Find a way
01-24-2019, 10:13 PM
#236
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Re PCA Vintage - Lot's of discussion re PCA Vintage cut-off date at the end of 2018. Below is a post of the outcome. I am just the messenger and was not involved in the decision making. I am hopeful that they will move the cut off date, we will see. I am not sure if the 911 Cup effort impacted their thinking or not.
From Fred Pfeiffer 1/1/2019: PCA Club Racing Vintage Group will remain with the current rules; specifically, ‘83 and earlier air cooled Porsches will be eligible. We will evaluate opening the years of eligibility later in the year.
From Fred Pfeiffer 1/1/2019: PCA Club Racing Vintage Group will remain with the current rules; specifically, ‘83 and earlier air cooled Porsches will be eligible. We will evaluate opening the years of eligibility later in the year.
01-24-2019, 11:03 PM
#237
I agree it's a shame we couldn't find a good way to include D cars for 2019. We couldn't find a good way to remove enough weight, or to combine a few simple mods (like raised rev limit) with a weight reduction to make them competitive with light E cars. Clarke is right that the obvious solution is a high compression engine, basically making a D an E. But that ain't cheap. F cars at their current weight might be really competitive with E less 150#. I'd love to include F if we can prove that theory. As far as G and H, maybe we need to look at finding a way to equalize those 2 classes and have a "911 Cup 2" so we have a place for all the air cooled cars that folks still run.
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01-25-2019, 01:50 AM
#238
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What about H/I/J 996 and 997 and Caymans? Will there soon be a Water Cup?
It would be nice if PCA would focus more energy on making the real stock classes come back alive instead of focusing constantly on the mega-budget factory race car classes.
It would be nice if PCA would focus more energy on making the real stock classes come back alive instead of focusing constantly on the mega-budget factory race car classes.
01-25-2019, 09:36 AM
#239
Drifting
Here's an idea, 911 only, to get big group of 911 together, aka 911CUP:
D modifies engine to become E.
E gets minus 200#.
964 F drops 270# to become 964 G.
G stays same.
Simple, easy.
This is hardest on D but D is almost gone anyway. And lots of E's used to be D's already.
D to E engine modification is pistons and fuel thingy, about $10k to $11k.
D modifies engine to become E.
E gets minus 200#.
964 F drops 270# to become 964 G.
G stays same.
Simple, easy.
This is hardest on D but D is almost gone anyway. And lots of E's used to be D's already.
D to E engine modification is pistons and fuel thingy, about $10k to $11k.
01-25-2019, 09:49 AM
#240
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Here's an idea, 911 only, to get big group of 911 together, aka 911CUP:
D modifies engine to become E.
E gets minus 200#.
964 F drops 270# to become 964 G.
G stays same.
Simple, easy.
This is hardest on D but D is almost gone anyway. And lots of E's used to be D's already.
D to E engine modification is pistons and fuel thingy, about $10k to $11k.
D modifies engine to become E.
E gets minus 200#.
964 F drops 270# to become 964 G.
G stays same.
Simple, easy.
This is hardest on D but D is almost gone anyway. And lots of E's used to be D's already.
D to E engine modification is pistons and fuel thingy, about $10k to $11k.