Rain Lights - PCA Club Racing
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I think flashing is good to distinguish from a brake light. That being said, I am not married to a single idea.
All the more reason for a rain light!
If it keeps us all safe it is a good idea.
For the price of a single tire you can buy a rain light and have it installed!
I heard back from Walt and he says it was discussed but more people were against it than for it. However, the conversation continues. It is too late for a rule change for 2019 so I said PCA could "suggest" it for 2019 much the same way a rear facing camera is a suggestion currently. There is a possibility of this happening.
Walt is a reasonable guy so perhaps we can make a rule change happen by 2020 with a suggestion for 2019.
All the more reason for a rain light!
If it keeps us all safe it is a good idea.
For the price of a single tire you can buy a rain light and have it installed!
I heard back from Walt and he says it was discussed but more people were against it than for it. However, the conversation continues. It is too late for a rule change for 2019 so I said PCA could "suggest" it for 2019 much the same way a rear facing camera is a suggestion currently. There is a possibility of this happening.
Walt is a reasonable guy so perhaps we can make a rule change happen by 2020 with a suggestion for 2019.
Seems silly to not use them. As for solid or blinking it depends on the sanctioning body. For BMWCCA they require flashing at all times, NASA wants them solid under rain conditions.
Difference between the Pegasus lamp vs the Lifeline FIA lamp. One car has the Pegasus lamp, it's pretty much useless when you're behind the car.
If you haven't bought the lights yet please think about buying from Chad at Morehead Speed Works. Great guy, great business, and a Veteran business owner.
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Good idea. I was thinking about this after Summit and forgot about it. I'll e-mail Walt as well.
I'd like there to be some consistency with how the rain light works. It seems most likely that people who race in two groups would be PCA/NASA, so perhaps we just go with the NASA rules...?
I'd like there to be some consistency with how the rain light works. It seems most likely that people who race in two groups would be PCA/NASA, so perhaps we just go with the NASA rules...?
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Good idea. I was thinking about this after Summit and forgot about it. I'll e-mail Walt as well.
I'd like there to be some consistency with how the rain light works. It seems most likely that people who race in two groups would be PCA/NASA, so perhaps we just go with the NASA rules...?
I'd like there to be some consistency with how the rain light works. It seems most likely that people who race in two groups would be PCA/NASA, so perhaps we just go with the NASA rules...?
I figure even if I am the lone car out there with a rain light there is some benefit to not getting rear ending in the rain. Would also be nice if the car in front of me had a rain light so I didn't boot that car but Rome was not built in a day.
I personally can't think of a single car with a rain light in PCA.
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Don't all recent (since the 90's for sure) Porsches have rear fog lights built into the brake light? Those aren't effective? (earnestly asks the Southern Cal resident...)
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I was watching my video from my last race in the rain. An orange car in front of me with his lights out disappeared completely from view at about 2-3 car lengths. Another car with his running lights on gave roughly another car length before disappearing. By the end of the front straight I was doing about 130 mph so what is 3 - 4 car lengths at that point if I drive up on a slower car?
Rain lights will make racing in the rain far more enjoyable.
It rains a few times a year in Cali, doesn't it?
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I I heard back from Walt and he says it was discussed but more people were against it than for it..
Just don't race in the rain....
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In short, no. Even brake lights disappear in the spray.
I was watching my video from my last race in the rain. An orange car in front of me with his lights out disappeared completely from view at about 2-3 car lengths. Another car with his running lights on gave roughly another car length before disappearing. By the end of the front straight I was doing about 130 mph so what is 3 - 4 car lengths at that point if I drive up on a slower car?
Rain lights will make racing in the rain far more enjoyable.
It rains a few times a year in Cali, doesn't it?
I was watching my video from my last race in the rain. An orange car in front of me with his lights out disappeared completely from view at about 2-3 car lengths. Another car with his running lights on gave roughly another car length before disappearing. By the end of the front straight I was doing about 130 mph so what is 3 - 4 car lengths at that point if I drive up on a slower car?
Rain lights will make racing in the rain far more enjoyable.
It rains a few times a year in Cali, doesn't it?
I'm surprised the newer cars with their LED rear tail lights don't have effective enough fog lights for that situation.
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If/when PCA adds the rain light requirement, let's hope they piggyback on one of the other standards. From another forum, it looks like the specific rules are at risk of getting out hand for those that race in multiple series.
NASA MA - Steady on all the time
NASA SE - Steady on all the time, under braking: Blinks at 4Hz
NASA GL - No requirement defined
NASA NE - No requirement defined
NASA SoCal - No requirement defined
BMW CR - Leaning towards standard 4Hz blinking operation all the time (Simplest FIA OpMod, although verbiage isn't final)
SCCA - Not required to use a rain light. If used, steady on all the time.
AER - Blinking all the time, under braking: Steady-on
WRL - No requirement defined
NASA MA - Steady on all the time
NASA SE - Steady on all the time, under braking: Blinks at 4Hz
NASA GL - No requirement defined
NASA NE - No requirement defined
NASA SoCal - No requirement defined
BMW CR - Leaning towards standard 4Hz blinking operation all the time (Simplest FIA OpMod, although verbiage isn't final)
SCCA - Not required to use a rain light. If used, steady on all the time.
AER - Blinking all the time, under braking: Steady-on
WRL - No requirement defined
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