Need guidance. Want to start racing
11-01-2018, 11:54 PM
#31
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I’m in my 3rd year of W2W racing in my BMW E36. Very popular chassis out here in the West for club racing. At roughly 12/1 weight to power its plenty fast enough. Costs are reasonable to run and I’m really lucky that our race shop mechanic is at most every event. Sometimes he’ll race against us too.
11-01-2018, 11:57 PM
#32
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I bought a midpack SSM miata for $7500. Mindy raced it for 8 years and then we sold it for $7500.
Brake pads cost $100. Contol arms are $75. Brake rotors 20. You buy parts at napa.
Its the most fun you can have for the money. Just saying.
Scca race school is a really good experience, too.
Brake pads cost $100. Contol arms are $75. Brake rotors 20. You buy parts at napa.
Its the most fun you can have for the money. Just saying.
Scca race school is a really good experience, too.
11-02-2018, 10:00 AM
#33
Race Director
oh I know Karl. He has been taking care of my street cars. He is who I am hoping will service and support whatever I get. Solid guy. I’ve been on the track with him and his LS powered 944. Wow! That’s some serious driving. I mentioned the spec cayman class to him today and he said the engines are crap and don’t hold up. He has been busy lately so haven’t had much time to pick his brain. Suppose to catch up with him this weekend. Right now I’m leaning towards SPB or SP996. May need your help soon ProCoach. Heard a lot of good things about you as well!
11-02-2018, 10:27 AM
#34
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They are all good motors once IMS and oiling (deep sump) is resolved. SPB motor replacement (with decent used one) costs about $7k including labor.
11-02-2018, 11:05 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
The M96 in the spb and sp996 are even worse than the m97 in the spec cayman. only benefit is that spb motors are cheap on the used market. less so for spc or sp996.
I've seen one ever spb motor pop. I know guys with 10 seasons on their motor with very little power difference versus a brand new crate motor
That first gen is way under stressed / most of us don't even run ims bearing changes anymore
Deep oil pan / don't over rev it
11-02-2018, 11:24 AM
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11-05-2018, 03:17 PM
#37
Race Director
Disagree
I've seen one ever spb motor pop. I know guys with 10 seasons on their motor with very little power difference versus a brand new crate motor
That first gen is way under stressed / most of us don't even run ims bearing changes anymore
Deep oil pan / don't over rev it
I've seen one ever spb motor pop. I know guys with 10 seasons on their motor with very little power difference versus a brand new crate motor
That first gen is way under stressed / most of us don't even run ims bearing changes anymore
Deep oil pan / don't over rev it
The m96 is not a good motor. Its got roughly 35 catastrophic failure modes. IMS, AOS, oil starvation, cracked heads, bore scoring, etc etc. Its a complete piece of junk.
11-05-2018, 04:11 PM
#39
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I really appreciate everyone’s thoughts and help. Still doing my research. Currently looking at SPB route. I think it will be fun and consumables will be cheap. Plus I think it would be a good platform to learn on and hopefully move up in a season or two. Seems like they retain value as well. I also looked at spec racer ford. Just seems like where im at in the Midwest the SPB will allow me to run PCA, as well NASA, and even SCCA with minimal changes. Even though I have decent DE experience I don’t think that will necessarily translate to wheel to wheel transition much, if any. Last thing I need is to get in over my head with a car that could get me in trouble. I really like the cayman classes such as Spec cayman and GTB1/2 but not many running those cars here.
11-05-2018, 04:21 PM
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I really appreciate everyone’s thoughts and help. Still doing my research. Currently looking at SPB route. I think it will be fun and consumables will be cheap. Plus I think it would be a good platform to learn on and hopefully move up in a season or two. Seems like they retain value as well. I also looked at spec racer ford. Just seems like where im at in the Midwest the SPB will allow me to run PCA, as well NASA, and even SCCA with minimal changes. Even though I have decent DE experience I don’t think that will necessarily translate to wheel to wheel transition much, if any. Last thing I need is to get in over my head with a car that could get me in trouble. I really like the cayman classes such as Spec cayman and GTB1/2 but not many running those cars here.
11-05-2018, 05:01 PM
#41
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11-05-2018, 09:06 PM
#43
I'm in....
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11-05-2018, 09:14 PM
#44
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Its popular because its relatively cheap, the cars are not intimidating, and donor cars are easy to find. A 2.5l motor is only like 2k to 3k so its not world ending when one fails but dont sit there and tell me its a good motor for track use. If you think otherwise your ice engineering knowledge is limited.
11-06-2018, 01:50 AM
#45
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Its popular because its relatively cheap, the cars are not intimidating, and donor cars are easy to find. A 2.5l motor is only like 2k to 3k so its not world ending when one fails but dont sit there and tell me its a good motor for track use. If you think otherwise your ice engineering knowledge is limited.
Quad - sorry your experience has been different, but in my ~75 hours or so of driving a SPB I have had no motor issues. Fortunately that experience is shared with the front of the pack in all regions in the US.