MSR Racer

GT3DE

Should have been an immediate double yellow and/or black flag. Red would have been best option.
ridiculous situation with that car disabled sitting where it was.
shouldn't have taken a second hit to stop the racing.
This one is on the track.

Paseb

So me, clark, dan martinson and what 10 other drivers shouldnt race PCA anymore?

Come on.

Seth Thomas

Who makes the call to go double yellow in PCA? Is it the track corner workers or is it the lead race director for the weekend? Not asking these questions to create an argument but asking for the information so the conversation can be constructive.

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esscape26

Yes. What Seth said.

Ignoring a waving yellow flag is serious, and over the past Atlanta weekend and others, people have ignored all kinds of flags, passing under double yellows (with obviously serious clean up going on and additional white flags) -- and even ignoring waving blacks when the corner workers get frustrated after people miss the stationary black flag all. This has been an issue since I was a rookie, and our race at the Bridge was completely cancelled due to this behavior, in which a full speed race car almost hit a rescue vehicle. Having been hit hard under a red flag myself in NASA when I was halfway off the track (with the driver involved just 15 yards ahead, jumping out of the car due to fire), this is something that is long overdue for addressing by race organizers.

And for a companion thought, it is a myth that you can fix passing under yellow later as a deterrent; it is often hard to detect in timing and scoring, based on circumstances. So something proactively needs to be done, rather than standard morning meetings or looking at it later. Perhaps class representatives for each model, someone who is out there racing and knows what is going on. He or she can act as a informal leader on these matters.

Lemming

The flag appears to waiving quickly enough to warrant caution, especially on a completely blind turn!

GT3DE

Yup, yellow and debris.
should have been red .

Lemming

I don't know how long it was from the wreck to the video above, but Race Control had a clear view of the incident and would not have had to rely on a corner worker calling it in. Thus, you would expect that the situation would have been brought under control quickly. In watching the video again, it appears that the corner worker in 10A is starting to deploy a yellow at that station. How quickly did the track go from the waiving yellow to double yellow?

Seth Thomas

Since I wasn't there for this moment but what was the debris and yellow for? Was it for the spun car or was there something on the track that caused the yellow car to spin with this being the flag for the debris? Again not trying to be argumentative but trying to gather all information I can before making any kind of conclusion. Also my thoughts (which we know are worth $.02 in the heat of racing) when I see or respond to a thread like this on Rennlist are not to start a bashing or argument with anyone on here but attempt to be constructive to everyone on here since everyone reading this thread can benefit in the future from the information here.

esscape26

​​​​​​​Yes plead your case for better warning systems. By all means, look ahead and consider scenarios, but would it be better to prioritize safety for one brief moment before prioritizing one's racing position? Not sure what would work (lights, red flag), now that I have seen all the ignoring of flags and incidents in favor of gaining a spot or not losing ground to someone. It was really bad at Atlanta. We even had a pass in pit lane in the driving lane, a swerve by the pit lane offender across someone else's box, and a crew member having to take evasive action.

Veloce Raptor

For what it's worth, the first thing I saw in the video was the aggressively waving flag...well before the camera car went down the hill towards the incident. Regardless of what flag "should " have been there based on individual opinion, every racer passing it SHOULD have heeded it. Basic Flags 101 from beginner DE days, folks.

Frank 993 C4S

I was there. There were also car parts and fluids on track from the initial crash.

Frank 993 C4S

Bring it to the attention of a Scrut next time. That's what we are there for. I felt that overall everybody was relatively well behaved and courteous in the pits during the Enduros.