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Old 02-15-2018 | 05:30 PM
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I understand Sebring is a "historic" track but even after watching dozens of videos of it, I've never understood the attraction. Looks like masochistic torture for both the car and the driver. It's too far south for me anyway.
Do it once and you'll be hooked for life.
There's something that is indescribable about the place.
Old 02-15-2018 | 06:11 PM
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I'm sorry with a red flag, why was the back straight BLOCKED...I saw 3 wide as emergency crews went by, ambulance had to weave ........
understand there was a major fire which added to the confusion , but make a path once people are stopped.....maybe it's just me
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Thanks for sharing -- as I'm staring at my first SPB race with a large field at CoTA -- I'm thinking of buying a ton of bubble wrap, claim its just paint protectant :-)
You'll be just fine. SPB's usually play relatively nice with each other. If you need a new PCA Logbook at COTA, we will meet so let's have a chat.

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I feel lucky that I survived all the carnage which I am sure was not due to my skill but more to running in the back so they stopped spinning by the time I arrived at the scene.
LOL - that's funny.

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I understand Sebring is a "historic" track but even after watching dozens of videos of it, I've never understood the attraction. Looks like masochistic torture for both the car and the driver. It's too far south for me anyway.
I was actually thinking the same thing when I went there first time with a Miata. However, over the past two years it has really grown on me and it has become one of my favorite tracks. It also helps to shake down a car for the season. If it doesn't fall off at Sebring, it will usually stay attached to your car for the entire season.
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I understand Sebring is a "historic" track but even after watching dozens of videos of it, I've never understood the attraction. Looks like masochistic torture for both the car and the driver. It's too far south for me anyway.
it is completely flat with lots of turns.
high speed corners feel great when you get them right.

feels great to experience the history of the track.
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You'll be just fine. SPB's usually play relatively nice with each other.

LOL - that's funny.

I was actually thinking the same thing when I went there first time with a Miata. However, over the past two years it has really grown on me and it has become one of my favorite tracks. It also helps to shake down a car for the season. If it doesn't fall off at Sebring, it will usually stay attached to your car for the entire season.
Agree with all of this. Sebring is an awesome track. A great challenge to both man and machine.

That said, the first PCA Club Race I ever attended was 2012 48 Hours. The Red Group (Cup cars) was a mess. Good friends got taken out and major carnage occurred, due to NO fault of their own. It hasn't changed... Green flag flies, drivers press the pause button on their brain. Sorry to hear, Stu! You're one of the good guys!

I see perfectly reasonable and relatively thoughtful drivers completely abdicate personal responsibility in an effort to gain "one more place." I don't know whether it's a first event after a long layoff thing, or what.

It pains me when I sit in New Driver Orientation at PCA Club Racing and hear the scruts tell the class that "PCA Club Racing is the safest venue, we have the least incidents of any racing organization." Because that's just not true...

Should be, "with power, comes responsibility." But Sebring just seems to breed yellows... And this time, reds...
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Agree with all of this. Sebring is an awesome track. A great challenge to both man and machine.

That said, the first PCA Club Race I ever attended was 2012 48 Hours. The Red Group (Cup cars) was a mess. Good friends got taken out and major carnage occurred, due to NO fault of their own. It hasn't changed... Green flag flies, drivers press the pause button on their brain. Sorry to hear, Stu! You're one of the good guys!

I see perfectly reasonable and relatively thoughtful drivers completely abdicate personal responsibility in an effort to gain "one more place." I don't know whether it's a first event after a long layoff thing, or what.

It pains me when I sit in New Driver Orientation at PCA Club Racing and hear the scruts tell the class that "PCA Club Racing is the safest venue, we have the least incidents of any racing organization." Because that's just not true...

Should be, "with power, comes responsibility." But Sebring just seems to breed yellows... And this time, reds...
so how does this work with the 13/13 rule? One would think that after a season or two of cup carnage this group should be "cleaned up"
do people appeal them and they get rescinded? is this only a Sebring thing and the other races in the season will be better?

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so how does this work with the 13/13 rule? One would think that after a season or two of cup carnage this group should be "cleaned up"
do people appeal them and they get rescinded? is this only a Sebring thing and the other races in the season will be better?
Watkins Glen and VIR are usually pretty eventful too. Check out some of the videos in the threads from last year. Remember, a 13 only puts you on probation. You need another 13 to take a forced vacation.



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Another thing is that when drivers change cars (usually an upgrade), you are in a position in the grid with unfamiliar drivers, new car and cold tires...all that probably plays a part in it. In any case, you really have to think of co-existing and maintaining grid position through corners the whole at the race start at Sebring. Like someone said, fighting hard for position on first lap is probably not a good idea. Track always opens up nicely by the time cars get to the back straight even on lap 1. I am in total self-preservation mode on 1st lap.

I also think, in a cup car, most amateur drivers (including me) are ever-extending our selves in terms of skill and experience. Closer to the limit, they are a real handful. I still do it for the thrill and the challenge.
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Originally Posted by MarcD147
is this only a Sebring thing and the other races in the season will be better?
IMSA GT3 CUP also has seen carnage at Sebring....
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What about the IMSA GT3 Cup at Watkins last year? 12 cars destroyed, more wrecked, and what 5 drivers sent to hospital? This was in the esses on first lap. These are PRO drivers and many kids looking at every event as another notch in their belt to move up. So VERY aggressive. PCA has nothing to offer but FUN and a thrill. I don't think anyone was scouted and taken to a factory team or F! from a Club Race... So as someone else mentioned a good race for all is when you can take the checker in an undamaged car.
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Originally Posted by Viperbob1
What about the IMSA GT3 Cup at Watkins last year? 12 cars destroyed, more wrecked, and what 5 drivers sent to hospital? This was in the esses on first lap. These are PRO drivers and many kids looking at every event as another notch in their belt to move up. So VERY aggressive. PCA has nothing to offer but FUN and a thrill. I don't think anyone was scouted and taken to a factory team or F! from a Club Race... So as someone else mentioned a good race for all is when you can take the checker in an undamaged car.
I would say: some drivers are pro

Give some of the top PCA drivers a big check book and im telling you, they will be on the podium or not far off.
Old 02-17-2018 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Viperbob1
What about the IMSA GT3 Cup at Watkins last year? 12 cars destroyed, more wrecked, and what 5 drivers sent to hospital? This was in the esses on first lap. These are Amateur drivers and many kids looking at every event as another notch in their belt to move up. So VERY aggressive. PCA has nothing to offer but FUN and a thrill. I don't think anyone was scouted and taken to a factory team or F! from a Club Race... So as someone else mentioned a good race for all is when you can take the checker in an undamaged car.
Fixed it for you. Pros get paid (most); Amateurs write checks.
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Originally Posted by FLA997
I heard someone say there were fists flying in the middle of T17 post some sort of contact?

Shame that old Supercup car went up in flames.
Unbelievable! This is racing for fun. We don’t even get trophies (let alone any sort of pay). Heck I had to buy three bottles of cheap gas station champagne so when Sebastian won at Road America he could spray it at the rest of us losers in GTB1 hahaha!

I did at an event several years ago have a driver who i passed tight while I codrove someone else’s car (very clean pass, his ego was bruised by the pass), walk up to me after the practice session and say if I try that again he’s going to kick my ***. I laughed it off as he scolded me. He was twice my age and I just couldn’t believe a successful adult would lose his temper over this sort of event.

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Originally Posted by Paseb
I would say: some drivers are pro

Give some of the top PCA drivers a big check book and im telling you, they will be on the podium or not far off.
the top end of GTB1, GTC4/5/6, clubsport, and E could all go be successful elsewhere.
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the top end of E could go be successful elsewhere.
fixed that for you


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