fatbillybob

Well sort of? I never came to racing via a regimented HPDE program. I was never drilled "the line". In fact in racing the new racers are often easy pickings because they drive the line and they are dangerous because they do not know when someone is going to take their apex because they think they own the line. New guys and deeply ingrained time trial guys are the ones most likely to chop you. I would think HPDE would teach at some point how to color outside the line. There are many times that using a different line is important. IMO the only thing a driver being overtaken has to do is hold "his" line. I don't care what line he is on. There are only a few simple rules to keep people safe. If he overbrakes and that effects you that's your awareness problem. Finally, there are those who can't do but teach. Some of the finest teachers I have ever had in multiple disciplines failed in the real world. I have also known genius who could not teach you how to tie your shoe.

Veloce Raptor

How can so many people write so many pages that have no bearing on the particular situation that began this thread

Gary R.

It's Rennlist, it's what we do..

Now let's get back to wild speculation..

CCA

Did you say there was a bearing failure??

mdrums

ExMB

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Nonsequitur

Let's settle some of this. Who would help me (offline) to validate information collected on 9, maybe 10, fatality incidents since 1999 that I believe would be classified as HPDE? That's the number; not four per year or some other rumor, nor multiples of those numbers. 3 of those have a medical factor. I have data from the often referenced databases, as well as incomplete media articles, some videos, obituaries and references (like a coroner report). Not enough, but this start has produced names, dates, locations and other details that has been partially investigated to produce opinion and/or conclusions. We will find that more investigation is needed, but this is not on a huge number of incidents even if we find more incidents. PM.

mrbill_fl

Any updates on the Instructor?

Regardless of any personal or pca insurance you can bet, he will have uncovered expenses and lost income...

hf1

Manifold

Maybe you can list just the track/year of those incidents here, and people can add to that list.

I really doubt that the average will be as much as 3-4 fatalities per year. If someone dies in a DE, the news tends to spread quickly. Doesn't seem plausible that there were numerous DE fatalities that were kept hush hush.

mrbill_fl

I didn't get emails, and try not to use FB. last update I saw was 19 days ago.

Glad to hear the good news!

seanseidman

I also receive the updates, but haven't seen one in 19 days as well

aryork

I googled and found these...would need to go back through the links to glean/tabulate more information...[Ugh! lost the table formatting, so pasted as image]

mrbill_fl

Missing 2017 Speedvegas lambo incident?

Manifold

That wasn't a DE. Participants drive flashy cars owned by the event organizer, and they have very limited laps to get their jollies. The incident in Florida where the instructor died when the car crashed into the end of a barrier was a similar type of event. For that matter, the incident at Jefferson Circuit of Summit Point also wasn't a DE, since participants drove only a few laps (in their own cars), so there wasn't the more systematic and controlled learning process of a multi-session, multi-day DE. IMO, events where participants are just doing a few laps, especially in someone else's fast and unfamiliar car, are a bad idea, though I bet they're quite profitable for the event organizers.