Driver training options
12-19-2017, 12:53 PM
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There's an excellent private coach database set up by Ryan Dalziel at www.racecarcoaches.com
12-19-2017, 12:59 PM
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Thank you Peter. Appreciate the plug for www.racecarcoaches.com
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12-19-2017, 03:49 PM
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Thank you, we know its not perfect but we are continuing to refine. Goal was to make it very user friendly, so I think we achieved that. Please let me know if you need any help signing up as a client or coach. Appreciate the support. #RaceCarCoaches
12-20-2017, 08:36 PM
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I've looked into the Lucas school, it was held last year locally. It is a tempting option because the Formula cars are just dammed neat, and the video/data seem like a nice takeaway. I find it so entertaining that the cars all run plain jane all season tires. I'm sure they're more than adequate for the purpose,
12-20-2017, 09:15 PM
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Thank you Peter. Appreciate the plug for www.racecarcoaches.com
Second, thank you to the coaches and wannabe coaches who offer and generously share their knowledge and wisdom with so many of us.
Next, Ryan and www.racercoaches.com....
After listening to your podcast with Ross B, I visited your website in eager anticipation. Unfortunately, there were almost no coaches registered in CT, NJ, and NY, the area around where I live that includes such great tracks as WGI, LRP, and NJMP, among others. I thought about it some and believe I understand the issue.
You are passionate about driving and coaching and I am passionate about building businesses and helping them grow. Here's my two cents:
I recommend that you modify your business model and forget about charging anyone--coaches or drivers--for as long as you can stomach the cash burn. This will remove any silly obstacles--"I don't want to pay for THAT"--and help you build a user base of coaches and drivers who come to value and appreciate its utility.
Alternatively, switch to an advertising-supported business model, perhaps starting with a very small number (i.e. one, two, or three, tops) of anchor sponsors.
You are building a networked marketplace and the value of any network increases exponentially as the number of users grows. Your goal now should be on rapidly building as many users as possible, not on whatever nominal income you may receive from those early adopters willing to pay now.
Think of the biggest social network we know--Facebook--which would simply not exist had it tried to charge anyone for anything. Now it's one of the largest advertising/media platforms in the world.
Facebook you don't need to be; viable and sustainable is what you need. A large or larger user base will help you get there and soar.
Good luck and never abandon your focus.
12-20-2017, 09:40 PM
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Next, Ryan and www.racercoaches.com....
After listening to your podcast with Ross B, I visited your website in eager anticipation. Unfortunately, there were almost no coaches registered in CT, NJ, and NY, the area around where I live that includes such great tracks as WGI, LRP, and NJMP, among others. I thought about it some and believe I understand the issue.
I recommend that you modify your business model and forget about charging anyone--coaches or drivers--for as long as you can stomach the cash burn. This will remove any silly obstacles--"I don't want to pay for THAT"--and help you build a user base of coaches and drivers who come to value and appreciate its utility.
Good luck and never abandon your focus.
After listening to your podcast with Ross B, I visited your website in eager anticipation. Unfortunately, there were almost no coaches registered in CT, NJ, and NY, the area around where I live that includes such great tracks as WGI, LRP, and NJMP, among others. I thought about it some and believe I understand the issue.
I recommend that you modify your business model and forget about charging anyone--coaches or drivers--for as long as you can stomach the cash burn. This will remove any silly obstacles--"I don't want to pay for THAT"--and help you build a user base of coaches and drivers who come to value and appreciate its utility.
Good luck and never abandon your focus.
There are several very, very good professional coaches in the CT, NJ, NY area.
May I suggest Sam Schultz, Aaron Povoledo, Peter Argetsinger, Lee Carpentier, Stevan MacAleer, Corey Lewis, Lee Carpentier, Andrew Wikstrom, Simon Kirkby, Jonathan Goring, Phil Lombardi, Dean DiGiacomo, in no particular order. And I can go on...
IIRC, Ryan's site does not charge drivers seeking coaches.
I'm not him, but the charge for a year, to be listed as a pro on his site, AFTER he's verified and vetted ALL of the people who desire to be listed, is not much more than a very good bottle of wine, so not sure that is an impediment to the very best, successful, tried and proven professionals. But, I might be wrong... I know my business, I don't pretend to know others.
12-20-2017, 11:10 PM
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First, thank you to the OP for initiating this thread and topic, which is great.
Second, thank you to the coaches and wannabe coaches who offer and generously share their knowledge and wisdom with so many of us.
Next, Ryan and www.racercoaches.com....
After listening to your podcast with Ross B, I visited your website in eager anticipation. Unfortunately, there were almost no coaches registered in CT, NJ, and NY, the area around where I live that includes such great tracks as WGI, LRP, and NJMP, among others. I thought about it some and believe I understand the issue.
You are passionate about driving and coaching and I am passionate about building businesses and helping them grow. Here's my two cents:
I recommend that you modify your business model and forget about charging anyone--coaches or drivers--for as long as you can stomach the cash burn. This will remove any silly obstacles--"I don't want to pay for THAT"--and help you build a user base of coaches and drivers who come to value and appreciate its utility.
Alternatively, switch to an advertising-supported business model, perhaps starting with a very small number (i.e. one, two, or three, tops) of anchor sponsors.
You are building a networked marketplace and the value of any network increases exponentially as the number of users grows. Your goal now should be on rapidly building as many users as possible, not on whatever nominal income you may receive from those early adopters willing to pay now.
Think of the biggest social network we know--Facebook--which would simply not exist had it tried to charge anyone for anything. Now it's one of the largest advertising/media platforms in the world.
Facebook you don't need to be; viable and sustainable is what you need. A large or larger user base will help you get there and soar.
Good luck and never abandon your focus.
Second, thank you to the coaches and wannabe coaches who offer and generously share their knowledge and wisdom with so many of us.
Next, Ryan and www.racercoaches.com....
After listening to your podcast with Ross B, I visited your website in eager anticipation. Unfortunately, there were almost no coaches registered in CT, NJ, and NY, the area around where I live that includes such great tracks as WGI, LRP, and NJMP, among others. I thought about it some and believe I understand the issue.
You are passionate about driving and coaching and I am passionate about building businesses and helping them grow. Here's my two cents:
I recommend that you modify your business model and forget about charging anyone--coaches or drivers--for as long as you can stomach the cash burn. This will remove any silly obstacles--"I don't want to pay for THAT"--and help you build a user base of coaches and drivers who come to value and appreciate its utility.
Alternatively, switch to an advertising-supported business model, perhaps starting with a very small number (i.e. one, two, or three, tops) of anchor sponsors.
You are building a networked marketplace and the value of any network increases exponentially as the number of users grows. Your goal now should be on rapidly building as many users as possible, not on whatever nominal income you may receive from those early adopters willing to pay now.
Think of the biggest social network we know--Facebook--which would simply not exist had it tried to charge anyone for anything. Now it's one of the largest advertising/media platforms in the world.
Facebook you don't need to be; viable and sustainable is what you need. A large or larger user base will help you get there and soar.
Good luck and never abandon your focus.
The site does not charge the client driver who is looking to hire a coach. For them/you its 100% free, we don't even take your personal details. The coaches do pay a minimal fee, not to discuss $$$ so much but coaches day rates can vary (on experience) from $500-$2000 per day (plus expenses) so the membership really is a no brainer, hence the fact we have 62 coaches nationwide in 11 weeks of business.
I completely understand your concerns regarding CT, NJ and NY coaches. As you know this is not a great time of year from track days up north, however many coaches in those states have already showed interest for when the weather and tracks open up again, so know we are working on filling these gaps. This is not my primary source of income, nor do I expect it to be any time soon. I've solely invested in this project and I feel really good with what we have created so far. I know the site isn't perfect and I truly appreciate feedback like yours. My plan is to make it pretty damn close to perfect in the near future.
The site was created for two reasons.
- Firstly to connect local coaches with local drivers at local race tracks, to avoid the additional costs to clients of paying for coaches travel expenses.
- Secondly, I wanted a one stop shop for the whole nation to find the best coaches. Too many "coaches" claim to be more than they are in this industry and it paints a bad picture sometimes for the good ones out there. You can connect with any coach on the site, so no need to restrict your search to your neighboring states, we are used to coming to the clients.
Hopefully this clears some items up, and again appreciate your feedback and will be discussed within RCC.
Interesting.
There are several very, very good professional coaches in the CT, NJ, NY area.
May I suggest Sam Schultz, Aaron Povoledo, Peter Argetsinger, Lee Carpentier, Stevan MacAleer, Corey Lewis, Lee Carpentier, Andrew Wikstrom, Simon Kirkby, Jonathan Goring, Phil Lombardi, Dean DiGiacomo, in no particular order. And I can go on...
IIRC, Ryan's site does not charge drivers seeking coaches.
I'm not him, but the charge for a year, to be listed as a pro on his site, AFTER he's verified and vetted ALL of the people who desire to be listed, is not much more than a very good bottle of wine, so not sure that is an impediment to the very best, successful, tried and proven professionals. But, I might be wrong... I know my business, I don't pretend to know others.
There are several very, very good professional coaches in the CT, NJ, NY area.
May I suggest Sam Schultz, Aaron Povoledo, Peter Argetsinger, Lee Carpentier, Stevan MacAleer, Corey Lewis, Lee Carpentier, Andrew Wikstrom, Simon Kirkby, Jonathan Goring, Phil Lombardi, Dean DiGiacomo, in no particular order. And I can go on...
IIRC, Ryan's site does not charge drivers seeking coaches.
I'm not him, but the charge for a year, to be listed as a pro on his site, AFTER he's verified and vetted ALL of the people who desire to be listed, is not much more than a very good bottle of wine, so not sure that is an impediment to the very best, successful, tried and proven professionals. But, I might be wrong... I know my business, I don't pretend to know others.
And Ryan Hall in CT - https://www.racecarcoaches.com/listi...s-development/
Both great experienced coaches.
12-21-2017, 12:00 AM
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May I add a suggestion,
for the search rather than coaches in the area, you could set it up for coaches willing to travel to that track/that have experience at chosen tracks .....the. maybe a second column that could show a check mark for travel required.....so the coaches would have to fill out tracks that they have no or little travel cost to ...Just an idea
being new to the coaching business side soni u derstamd the cost being a little deterring but i have to agree the advertising cost is not large, it only takes one client to make it worth while
the industry is definately a word of mouth....that's what got me into the right seat/behind the laptop
sorry to derail the thread more but I think it still is some very useful info for all and the OP
for the search rather than coaches in the area, you could set it up for coaches willing to travel to that track/that have experience at chosen tracks .....the. maybe a second column that could show a check mark for travel required.....so the coaches would have to fill out tracks that they have no or little travel cost to ...Just an idea
being new to the coaching business side soni u derstamd the cost being a little deterring but i have to agree the advertising cost is not large, it only takes one client to make it worth while
the industry is definately a word of mouth....that's what got me into the right seat/behind the laptop
sorry to derail the thread more but I think it still is some very useful info for all and the OP
12-21-2017, 12:23 AM
#41
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May I add a suggestion,
for the search rather than coaches in the area, you could set it up for coaches willing to travel to that track/that have experience at chosen tracks .....the. maybe a second column that could show a check mark for travel required.....so the coaches would have to fill out tracks that they have no or little travel cost to ...Just an idea
being new to the coaching business side soni u derstamd the cost being a little deterring but i have to agree the advertising cost is not large, it only takes one client to make it worth while
the industry is definately a word of mouth....that's what got me into the right seat/behind the laptop
sorry to derail the thread more but I think it still is some very useful info for all and the OP
for the search rather than coaches in the area, you could set it up for coaches willing to travel to that track/that have experience at chosen tracks .....the. maybe a second column that could show a check mark for travel required.....so the coaches would have to fill out tracks that they have no or little travel cost to ...Just an idea
being new to the coaching business side soni u derstamd the cost being a little deterring but i have to agree the advertising cost is not large, it only takes one client to make it worth while
the industry is definately a word of mouth....that's what got me into the right seat/behind the laptop
sorry to derail the thread more but I think it still is some very useful info for all and the OP
12-21-2017, 02:13 AM
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I'm a bit late to this discussion, but I have to disagree with the PCA fanclub (no offense to anyone).
The PCA system starts a student with straight line braking, no trail braking, and very little/few car control drills. So you basically end up learning a few bad habits and those habits are reinforced until you move out of green, out of blue, then into yellow group where they then say that they have been teaching you the wrong way to brake and turn and now you need to unlearn those habits and learn the correct methods.
If you attend a 2 or 3 day racing school, they will teach you all the basics correctly from the beginning. Obviously, you won't master them in 3 days, but most importantly, you will learn them correctly and you won't waste your first year or two driving incorrectly. You also won't have to waste 6 months or more unlearning the wrong habits.
The PCA system starts a student with straight line braking, no trail braking, and very little/few car control drills. So you basically end up learning a few bad habits and those habits are reinforced until you move out of green, out of blue, then into yellow group where they then say that they have been teaching you the wrong way to brake and turn and now you need to unlearn those habits and learn the correct methods.
If you attend a 2 or 3 day racing school, they will teach you all the basics correctly from the beginning. Obviously, you won't master them in 3 days, but most importantly, you will learn them correctly and you won't waste your first year or two driving incorrectly. You also won't have to waste 6 months or more unlearning the wrong habits.
NNJR for example has a car control clinic where you can practice braking, slalom, skidpad + an autocross program if you're so inclined. Plenty of opportunity to learn car control in a controlled environment.
But more importantly, I've been trail braking the s out of corners (pardon my language) since my first lap ever on track and no instructor told me to not do that, in green or yellow group. Same is true for throttle steering if that's also in this group of not taught techniques in the lower run groups; definitely had conversations w instructors on how to rotate the car w throttle since day one. Clearly YMMV given region, instructor etc, but this has been my personal experience w my region, so I don't think the above holds for all PCA.
In general, I found the PCA instructors to be very receptive to conversation and goal setting, so whatever new item I'm working on that day, I let them know so that he/she is fully aware, and they provide plenty of guidance whatever that item of the day may be. I've never had a strict approach from an instructor where he/she insisted on a specific line or a specific throttle/brake input or anything like that.
Is it pro-racing school, not by a mile, but bang for buck is tough to beat. As an aspiring student I really feel like the most seat time is the best seat time, as opposed to a third the seat time for 3x the cost.
12-21-2017, 06:30 AM
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MFZ was doing this at the highest level before my friend and colleague Ross Bentley wrote his first book!
Mike and I matriculated to the same Western Massachusetts college, on the same day, nearly forty years ago.
MFZ, being the smarter of the two of us, gave a hard think to things that afternoon on the steps of the library. He then decided to drive a short distance down the road to Lime Rock and go to work for Skip Barber Racing School THAT day! Great story...
Ryan has huge experience across a broad range of cars.
Also, a big shoutout for Rob Slonaker in the NJ-NY-CT area. Superb coach, mentor and friend.
12-21-2017, 07:11 AM
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Interesting.
There are several very, very good professional coaches in the CT, NJ, NY area.
May I suggest Sam Schultz, Aaron Povoledo, Peter Argetsinger, Lee Carpentier, Stevan MacAleer, Corey Lewis, Lee Carpentier, Andrew Wikstrom, Simon Kirkby, Jonathan Goring, Phil Lombardi, Dean DiGiacomo, in no particular order. And I can go on...
IIRC, Ryan's site does not charge drivers seeking coaches.
I'm not him, but the charge for a year, to be listed as a pro on his site, AFTER he's verified and vetted ALL of the people who desire to be listed, is not much more than a very good bottle of wine, so not sure that is an impediment to the very best, successful, tried and proven professionals. But, I might be wrong... I know my business, I don't pretend to know others.
There are several very, very good professional coaches in the CT, NJ, NY area.
May I suggest Sam Schultz, Aaron Povoledo, Peter Argetsinger, Lee Carpentier, Stevan MacAleer, Corey Lewis, Lee Carpentier, Andrew Wikstrom, Simon Kirkby, Jonathan Goring, Phil Lombardi, Dean DiGiacomo, in no particular order. And I can go on...
IIRC, Ryan's site does not charge drivers seeking coaches.
I'm not him, but the charge for a year, to be listed as a pro on his site, AFTER he's verified and vetted ALL of the people who desire to be listed, is not much more than a very good bottle of wine, so not sure that is an impediment to the very best, successful, tried and proven professionals. But, I might be wrong... I know my business, I don't pretend to know others.
12-21-2017, 08:21 AM
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