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Old 05-23-2015, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by nuvolari612 View Post
F1 drivers teams engineering from a fan is IMO the best racing in the world - even with the new sound.

Comparing the two is very subjective.
Ok
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Originally Posted by Der-Schwabe View Post
I have no beef with Ferrari whatsoever. What I felt needed saying was that Porsche is NOT one of those companies that has "little to zero racing programs" and therefore uses the Nürburgring lap times as a cheap marketing tool. That would be manifestly untrue about Porsche as it is running major racing programs as I had highlighted in my previous post.
Ok - so let's step back.

Ferrari takes their cars to racing levels - which is supported.

Porsche 918 does not - they leave it at the Ring.
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Originally Posted by nuvolari612 View Post
Ok - so let's step back.

Ferrari takes their cars to racing levels - which is supported.

Porsche 918 does not - they leave it at the Ring.
Do you mean customer racing programs like the fxxk and p1gtr?
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Originally Posted by kingjr9000 View Post
Do you mean customer racing programs like the fxxk and p1gtr?
Yes. It's their culture and people will do anything for that association.

CGT sells around 700k whereas Enzo sells near 3M and that variation is consistent or greater.

Porsche isn't any less of a car - it's the culture Ferrari has created and sustained.
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Old 05-24-2015, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nuvolari612 View Post
Yes. It's their culture and people will do anything for that association.

CGT sells around 700k whereas Enzo sells near 3M and that variation is consistent or greater.

Porsche isn't any less of a car - it's the culture Ferrari has created and sustained.
Understand your point now. Tantalising thought, a track only version, lightened & fettled 918...doubt that it'll happen....
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Originally Posted by Der-Schwabe View Post
Understand your point now. Tantalising thought, a track only version, lightened & fettled 918...doubt that it'll happen....
Porsche won't but Lamborghini may have that appetite - fingers crossed.
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Originally Posted by nuvolari612 View Post
Yes. It's their culture and people will do anything for that association.

CGT sells around 700k whereas Enzo sells near 3M and that variation is consistent or greater.

Porsche isn't any less of a car - it's the culture Ferrari has created and sustained.
Now i get what you're saying.
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It's a lot of performance - the Bull has come a long way. The extra hp is almost meaningless but no one is going to complain until they get a fat ticket

Given the low production of Lamborghini unlike Ferrari they will likely continue to build NA cars whereas the F12 could be the last NA V12.
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Autocar claims that
1 - Aventador SV maybe be faster than 918 ( at the Ring, I guess)
2 - given that Lamborghini and Porsche are part of a VW, If 1 above is true, then Lamborghini will not be able to show it.

True?
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Originally Posted by br911 View Post
Autocar claims that
1 - Aventador SV maybe be faster than 918 ( at the Ring, I guess)
2 - given that Lamborghini and Porsche are part of a VW, If 1 above is true, then Lamborghini will not be able to show it.

True?
Good thing though, is that porsche has the potential to go back and set a much faster time with better tires and full-production car.
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Originally Posted by br911 View Post
Autocar claims that
1 - Aventador SV maybe be faster than 918 ( at the Ring, I guess)
2 - given that Lamborghini and Porsche are part of a VW, If 1 above is true, then Lamborghini will not be able to show it.

True?
The Nürburgring laptime was set with a pre-production 918 that had not been fully optimised. Porsche had said that from the outset, so the laptime could easily be improved upon.
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I agree. Difficult to believe that 918 could be slower than SV, when P1 was a close second in Laguna Seca ( different track characteristics, I know) but what I find most difficult to believe is that VW would not allow other subsidiaries to post faster times than Porsche. One can imagine that this is not very inspiring for employees- recipe for brand failure.
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Originally Posted by br911 View Post
I agree. Difficult to believe that 918 could be slower than SV, when P1 was a close second in Laguna Seca ( different track characteristics, I know) but what I find most difficult to believe is that VW would not allow other subsidiaries to post faster times than Porsche. One can imagine that this is not very inspiring for employees- recipe for brand failure.
Well, I'd say that laptimes @ the Nürburgring are just one parameter of a vehicle. The 918 is a show-case for hybrid technology in a performance car underlined by it's Nürburgring laptime. The SV is very much traditional technology with a large displacement V12 ...and the days of this maybe numbered by emission legislation. Indeed, skimming over R&T's headlines, turbocharged V5s were mooted for the lesser Lambos...
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