Aventador SV at the ring under 7 min.
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Everyone is so obsessed with Ring' numbers. I don't get it. I mean it's cool and all but anything below a 7:30 is asking SO much from the people who buy these cars.
I would be surprised if anyone who buys this car could legitimately do less than a 7:30 ring time. It's just a measuring contest at this point. Which is a shame. Because now if the limited F12 isn't as fast most people will automatically look at it as a failure.
I would be surprised if anyone who buys this car could legitimately do less than a 7:30 ring time. It's just a measuring contest at this point. Which is a shame. Because now if the limited F12 isn't as fast most people will automatically look at it as a failure.
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#17
I'm not calling out anyone...the SV that did the test is running a more aggressive ECU map that sooner or later will be offered (as last SV) also to clients ...and the fact it was running on Trofeo R tyres rather then Corsa is just a technicality...really can't see the problem on what I wrote?
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Everyone is so obsessed with Ring' numbers. I don't get it. I mean it's cool and all but anything below a 7:30 is asking SO much from the people who buy these cars.
I would be surprised if anyone who buys this car could legitimately do less than a 7:30 ring time. It's just a measuring contest at this point. Which is a shame. Because now if the limited F12 isn't as fast most people will automatically look at it as a failure.
I would be surprised if anyone who buys this car could legitimately do less than a 7:30 ring time. It's just a measuring contest at this point. Which is a shame. Because now if the limited F12 isn't as fast most people will automatically look at it as a failure.
Competition for a street car at the track is the new job #1 at many factories.
Ferrari will always be the top dog - the Ring is the cheapest way to gain huge recognition for factories with little to zero racing programs.
918 Aventador SV and many others use the ring while Ferrari and Mclaren have endless expenses in F1 - best bargain in the world.
Guys without training who think they can drive like a pro - we all know better.
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I don't understand what you mean?
I'm not calling out anyone...the SV that did the test is running a more aggressive ECU map that sooner or later will be offered (as last SV) also to clients ...and the fact it was running on Trofeo R tyres rather then Corsa is just a technicality...really can't see the problem on what I wrote?
I'm not calling out anyone...the SV that did the test is running a more aggressive ECU map that sooner or later will be offered (as last SV) also to clients ...and the fact it was running on Trofeo R tyres rather then Corsa is just a technicality...really can't see the problem on what I wrote?
When asked you stated - you know people - which is inferring the test car / lap time has been juiced up vs the customer cars.
Now you are saying it will be offered sooner or later - doubt the SV is not going to have two ECU maps as an option why would anyone take the lessor - it either is or is not a "press kit" tires aside ... so?
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Having a deposit on the new F12 it's well known it will be a special car - for years the Ferrari forums associate their cars with F1 - talk about a stretch but it's a fun ride which was one of the things that pushed me to the 16M. It's a celebration car that reflects constructor championships that raised the bar - love the car.
Competition for a street car at the track is the new job #1 at many factories.
Ferrari will always be the top dog - the Ring is the cheapest way to gain huge recognition for factories with little to zero racing programs.
918 Aventador SV and many others use the ring while Ferrari and Mclaren have endless expenses in F1 - best bargain in the world.
Guys without training who think they can drive like a pro - we all know better.
Competition for a street car at the track is the new job #1 at many factories.
Ferrari will always be the top dog - the Ring is the cheapest way to gain huge recognition for factories with little to zero racing programs.
918 Aventador SV and many others use the ring while Ferrari and Mclaren have endless expenses in F1 - best bargain in the world.
Guys without training who think they can drive like a pro - we all know better.
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You performed the best sounding / performing 360C exhaust on the planet - great work!
#22
Having a deposit on the new F12 it's well known it will be a special car - for years the Ferrari forums associate their cars with F1 - talk about a stretch but it's a fun ride which was one of the things that pushed me to the 16M. It's a celebration car that reflects constructor championships that raised the bar - love the car.
Competition for a street car at the track is the new job #1 at many factories.
Ferrari will always be the top dog - the Ring is the cheapest way to gain huge recognition for factories with little to zero racing programs.
918 Aventador SV and many others use the ring while Ferrari and Mclaren have endless expenses in F1 - best bargain in the world.
Guys without training who think they can drive like a pro - we all know better.
Competition for a street car at the track is the new job #1 at many factories.
Ferrari will always be the top dog - the Ring is the cheapest way to gain huge recognition for factories with little to zero racing programs.
918 Aventador SV and many others use the ring while Ferrari and Mclaren have endless expenses in F1 - best bargain in the world.
Guys without training who think they can drive like a pro - we all know better.
#25
Having a deposit on the new F12 it's well known it will be a special car - for years the Ferrari forums associate their cars with F1 - talk about a stretch but it's a fun ride which was one of the things that pushed me to the 16M. It's a celebration car that reflects constructor championships that raised the bar - love the car.
Competition for a street car at the track is the new job #1 at many factories.
Ferrari will always be the top dog - the Ring is the cheapest way to gain huge recognition for factories with little to zero racing programs.
918 Aventador SV and many others use the ring while Ferrari and Mclaren have endless expenses in F1 - best bargain in the world.
Guys without training who think they can drive like a pro - we all know better.
Competition for a street car at the track is the new job #1 at many factories.
Ferrari will always be the top dog - the Ring is the cheapest way to gain huge recognition for factories with little to zero racing programs.
918 Aventador SV and many others use the ring while Ferrari and Mclaren have endless expenses in F1 - best bargain in the world.
Guys without training who think they can drive like a pro - we all know better.
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F1 - two seconds slower with V6 engines. LeMans is running the same times as last year.
See the steering wheel of F1 vs LeMans
No comparison in talent money spent let alone innovations.
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Hang on, I would agree with what you say as regards the Lambo in particular as the Aventador delivers nothing new as regards technology or is race derived but you are way off course on Porsche & the 918. I am sure you know that Porsche has for decades taken part in the FIA World Endurance Championship and won and used technology in their road cars from these race programs including the 918 as it's engine was derived from the LMP2 RS Spyder. One could argue for hours whether the FIA World Endurance Championship or F1 is more relevant for innovation. Did you feel compelled to order an Infinity Q50 that was offered on the back of Red Bull's F1 successes? I would also be cautious citing McLaren's F1 efforts having any relevance for their road cars. McLaren has never supplied the engine on their F1 cars, back in the day, between 1984 to 1987 it was actually Porsche that supplied the engines to McLaren's F1 efforts allowing the win of the 1984, 1985 and 1986 driver's title, more recently this was done by Mercedes and is now done by Honda.
Porsche Honda Infinity Toyota - no one gets excited until they see the window dressing of Red Bull Mclaren Mercedes Ferrari etc.
All one has to do is look at trinket sales - place a Q50 signed hat next to a Schumacher at equal price and see which sells first.
All I am saying is the Ring is low cost marketing - that's why Ferrari won''t play in that sandbox. Ferrari will not give the Ring credibility they save that for F1.
Again - like it or not Ferrari F1 is #1.
I love LeMans - but it's no F1 even with the largest / smallest db in the world running it.
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Caution all you wish while referencing a Q50.
Porsche Honda Infinity Toyota - no one gets excited until they see the window dressing of Red Bull Mclaren Mercedes Ferrari etc.
All one has to do is look at trinket sales - place a Q50 signed hat next to a Schumacher at equal price and see which sells first.
All I am saying is the Ring is low cost marketing - that's why Ferrari won''t play in that sandbox. Ferrari will not give the Ring credibility they save that for F1.
Again - like it or not Ferrari F1 is #1.
I love LeMans - but it's no F1 even with the largest / smallest db in the world running it.
Porsche Honda Infinity Toyota - no one gets excited until they see the window dressing of Red Bull Mclaren Mercedes Ferrari etc.
All one has to do is look at trinket sales - place a Q50 signed hat next to a Schumacher at equal price and see which sells first.
All I am saying is the Ring is low cost marketing - that's why Ferrari won''t play in that sandbox. Ferrari will not give the Ring credibility they save that for F1.
Again - like it or not Ferrari F1 is #1.
I love LeMans - but it's no F1 even with the largest / smallest db in the world running it.
#29
RB: 1:28.9 MB: 1:28.2
The lap times from silverstone from 2014 to 2015 for wec are:
Toy: 1:42.7 Por: 1:39.7
And then if you want to, f1 2014 to WEC 2015 times from silverstone are f1: 1:37.2 WEC: 1:39.7
I don't get what you're getting at with the steering wheel, or what you're getting at with the money spent. Could you clarify?
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I don't quite get what you're saying. Are you saying that f1 is better than sec on innovations? The lap times from catalunya from 2014 and 2015 for f1 are:
RB: 1:28.9 MB: 1:28.2
The lap times from silverstone from 2014 to 2015 for wec are:
Toy: 1:42.7 Por: 1:39.7
And then if you want to, f1 2014 to WEC 2015 times from silverstone are f1: 1:37.2 WEC: 1:39.7
I don't get what you're getting at with the steering wheel, or what you're getting at with the money spent. Could you clarify?
RB: 1:28.9 MB: 1:28.2
The lap times from silverstone from 2014 to 2015 for wec are:
Toy: 1:42.7 Por: 1:39.7
And then if you want to, f1 2014 to WEC 2015 times from silverstone are f1: 1:37.2 WEC: 1:39.7
I don't get what you're getting at with the steering wheel, or what you're getting at with the money spent. Could you clarify?
Comparing the two is very subjective.