Considering a CGT
12-24-2012, 11:01 AM
#16
Not trying to hijack this thread but my guess is the OP has the same question. How much more valuable is a 2005 model vs a 2004? I have searched all the previous threads and dont see any references to this. As far as I can tell there are 16 CGT's for sale in the USA and two of those are 2004 vehicles.
12-24-2012, 02:37 PM
#17
Drifting
As stated earlier in this thread the CGT is one of the all time great cars. When I had mine I did not let the valet park the car. It was worth the extra tip to ensure my peace of mind.
12-25-2012, 12:41 PM
#18
I was searching for a CGT and I have a spreadsheet of everything I could find for sale in the USA. PM me if you want it.
I am down to considering a CGT or 12C spider. I would get a 458 Spider if I didnt have to pay over sticker but that's a while away still. I am struggling with the idea of handing over the CGT to a valet. Sounds goofy but we eat out every weekend and its one of the few times I get to drive my car. I'm sure I can get used to the clutch and I understand they can last a good while (10k miles or more) if treated properly. I just dont know if I can give it to the valet which means it may not get driven very much (hence the 12C idea).
I am down to considering a CGT or 12C spider. I would get a 458 Spider if I didnt have to pay over sticker but that's a while away still. I am struggling with the idea of handing over the CGT to a valet. Sounds goofy but we eat out every weekend and its one of the few times I get to drive my car. I'm sure I can get used to the clutch and I understand they can last a good while (10k miles or more) if treated properly. I just dont know if I can give it to the valet which means it may not get driven very much (hence the 12C idea).
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12-27-2012, 06:17 AM
#19
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I've gone back and forth on a CGT and the last time I decided to go with the 599GTO because it is a car I could go away for a weekend with my wife and enjoy all it has to offer.
I still feel like one is in my future but, my question to the faithful is: given the complete lack of luggage space if you have the top off, do you feel like you are missing out if you don't take the top off?
Mario
I still feel like one is in my future but, my question to the faithful is: given the complete lack of luggage space if you have the top off, do you feel like you are missing out if you don't take the top off?
Mario
12-27-2012, 11:10 AM
#20
That's a very good question and one you should consider before buying a CGT. I've taken my car on a four day road trip with my girlfriend. It doesn't matter if the top is off or on because the space in the trunk is so limited either way. Even with the top on you're not going to be able to store a decent size bag in the trunk. I brought a backpack and my GF packed one bag. She didn't mind storing them in the passenger foot well next to her legs. Did I get to bring a lot of clothes? No. But for me, I'd rather sacrifice some luggage space to be able to drive one of the most fantastic road cars ever made halfway across the country. Believe me, the last thing I was thinking was 'If I only could've brought two more sweaters' 
12-27-2012, 03:06 PM
#21
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That's a very good question and one you should consider before buying a CGT. I've taken my car on a four day road trip with my girlfriend. It doesn't matter if the top is off or on because the space in the trunk is so limited either way. Even with the top on you're not going to be able to store a decent size bag in the trunk. I brought a backpack and my GF packed one bag. She didn't mind storing them in the passenger foot well next to her legs. Did I get to bring a lot of clothes? No. But for me, I'd rather sacrifice some luggage space to be able to drive one of the most fantastic road cars ever made halfway across the country. Believe me, the last thing I was thinking was 'If I only could've brought two more sweaters'
12-27-2012, 03:19 PM
#22
That's actually a helluva good idea. trashing the hotel room before I leave...I've already got that down.
12-27-2012, 06:20 PM
#23
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Good answer. Wasn't that the ultimate in luxury status a while back? Stepping off the concorde with your sunglasses and no luggage? I guess that could apply to the cgt. For that matter, I guess the top is optional too, lol. It can never take the mantle of " least practical car ever" from the Barchetta
Great car no matter what.
M
12-28-2012, 06:17 AM
#24
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recently i used the cgt for a 10 day holiday covering 4 countries and 4000 km.
germany, austria, switzerland and italy.
i hadnt have the luggage set, however i just bought the cloths bag.
so my experience ist without the set:
there is enough space in the cgt. you can put on each side a cloths bag behind the seats. if your partner is of european ;-) size, there is space for 1-2 small bags behind the passenger seat and a small bag behind the driver seat. there is space for a medium sized bag in the passenger front and also space under, inbetween and on top the dismanteled roofs in the front. if the weather is nice and you leave the autobahn it takes about 15 minutes to dismantle the roof, change the luaggage setting and here you go... and yes a fresh set of undies every day.
so in the end you can not bring your suitcases, you dont buy a lot of stuff on your trip, you will end up with using quite a few smaller bags possibly of different brands.
germany, austria, switzerland and italy.
i hadnt have the luggage set, however i just bought the cloths bag.
so my experience ist without the set:
there is enough space in the cgt. you can put on each side a cloths bag behind the seats. if your partner is of european ;-) size, there is space for 1-2 small bags behind the passenger seat and a small bag behind the driver seat. there is space for a medium sized bag in the passenger front and also space under, inbetween and on top the dismanteled roofs in the front. if the weather is nice and you leave the autobahn it takes about 15 minutes to dismantle the roof, change the luaggage setting and here you go... and yes a fresh set of undies every day.
so in the end you can not bring your suitcases, you dont buy a lot of stuff on your trip, you will end up with using quite a few smaller bags possibly of different brands.
12-31-2012, 12:46 PM
#26
I assume that's just the yearly service (mostly just fluids)? I am trying to figure in the $20k clutch ever x years. Of the 16 cars on the market in the USA the average mileage is around 5k and 35% have had a clutch done by that point. I know this is highly dependent on the driver knowing how to use the clutch but what assumptions are others using? Also isnt there a engine out valve service at some point?
12-31-2012, 02:13 PM
#27
I assume that's just the yearly service (mostly just fluids)? I am trying to figure in the $20k clutch ever x years. Of the 16 cars on the market in the USA the average mileage is around 5k and 35% have had a clutch done by that point. I know this is highly dependent on the driver knowing how to use the clutch but what assumptions are others using? Also isnt there a engine out valve service at some point?
My 2004 car has just clicked 30k miles, and has just had it's second engine out service. The clutch is the original, and it measured 28.90mm at service, with the wear limit at 28.00mm for replacement.
Based on the data on clutch wear I have for my car, I calculated the car would most likely need a clutch before the next four year service, which will be around another 15k miles. On this basis as the engine and transmission were out for the service I had a new clutch fitted - which only incurred the cost of the clutch, around $7.5k USD with some discount applied.
I've done lot of track days/DE events in the car, probably circa 40,and would estimate the car would have covered around 40-45k miles on the original clutch.
12-31-2012, 02:25 PM
#28
The clutch as you noted is dependent on the driver. Valve service is every four years, regardless of mileage.
My 2004 car has just clicked 30k miles, and has just had it's second engine out service. The clutch is the original, and it measured 28.90mm at service, with the wear limit at 28.00mm for replacement.
Based on the data on clutch wear I have for my car, I calculated the car would most likely need a clutch before the next four year service, which will be around another 15k miles. On this basis as the engine and transmission were out for the service I had a new clutch fitted - which only incurred the cost of the clutch, around $7.5k USD with some discount applied.
I've done lot of track days/DE events in the car, probably circa 40,and would estimate the car would have covered around 40-45k miles on the original clutch.
My 2004 car has just clicked 30k miles, and has just had it's second engine out service. The clutch is the original, and it measured 28.90mm at service, with the wear limit at 28.00mm for replacement.
Based on the data on clutch wear I have for my car, I calculated the car would most likely need a clutch before the next four year service, which will be around another 15k miles. On this basis as the engine and transmission were out for the service I had a new clutch fitted - which only incurred the cost of the clutch, around $7.5k USD with some discount applied.
I've done lot of track days/DE events in the car, probably circa 40,and would estimate the car would have covered around 40-45k miles on the original clutch.
01-02-2013, 04:07 AM
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not sure who was asking but I have the mp4 and the CGT. I drive the MP4 much more often because it's easier to handle when there might be traffic or if there are any parking related concerns. If I am taking a one day long massive joy ride- the CGT is the car. if the weather is going to be predictably sunny/warm/pleasant- just leave the top at home all together, no need to store it in your trunk. I've done some extended drives in it and have over 10k miles on mine.
another option of the CGT road trip rockstar concept- pack a ton of stuff, and pick up a new friend while it's parked in front of somewhere nice. easier to travel alone and you will get much more practical benefit out of the curb appeal of the car...haha
another option of the CGT road trip rockstar concept- pack a ton of stuff, and pick up a new friend while it's parked in front of somewhere nice. easier to travel alone and you will get much more practical benefit out of the curb appeal of the car...haha
01-02-2013, 09:19 AM
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