Dan Jacobs

[QUOTE=Plavan;10616892] Like many of said, I would just buy a 996 Cup car (but the upkeep would kill me).
Urban legend # 101
996 cups are the cheapest way to race a Porsche on slicks by far

Plavan

[QUOTE=Dan Jacobs;10617087]Not when you are racing a vintage 911 2.5L

wpgt3cup

I've been asked to sell mine and wouldn't consider less than $150 K. Even then I would be hard pressed to sell.

They are not the fastest cars on the track, they are (IMHO) still a beautiful race car and an absolute blast to drive without any drivers aids sticking their nose in to help.

A total of (441) 993 Super Cups were built and I wonder how many are still around today???

The new generation 996 and 997 Cup Cars total in the thousands so when will 993's be considered a collector's car is anyone's guess.

mcongleton

wpgt3cup

Currently the 993 Cup and RSR's are collector cars. The trend in increasing values has been going on for quite some time. When I purchased my RSR in 2009 I had the option of purchasing a low hour 2008 GT-3 Cup. Having experience with vintage/historic race cars I choose the RSR due to it's investment potential which has been met in spades.

The fact that you would not sell your Cup for less than $150K supports the fact these cars are collector cars and will continue to increase in value for the foreseeable future. Being an x-Grohs car you have a solid collector car. Your restoration will only assist the value if you ever decide to sell.

Mark

GTgears

Data point:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...p-3-8-rsr.html

BrandonH

Interesting and noteworthy that there is no race history. $239K is strong money

cup997laurent

My 993 cup has been upgraded to RSR ( RSR engine and body ) . When restoring the car i had the original engine and gear box rebuilt and fitted in the car, do you think i have to return to the original front and rear wings ? I have the wings at home and it's not a big job to do .

BrandonH

Here in the US, collector car fashions change over time. But generally collectors want something that is as close as possible to the condition of the object in it's prime, as prepared for it's original purpose. The definitive treatise on this is Fred Simeone's book " the Stewardship of Historically Important Automobiles." http://simeonemuseum.org/about-us/th...nt-automobiles. Here he argues that a collector car gets demerits each time it deviates from original condition, and that 'restoration' too easily collapses into 'reproduction.'

Since these cup cars were originally prepared to run in a European series, I think the core of the collector interest will mostly be Europeans and specifically Germans. Consequently, I suspect the best way to transition a cup car from racing duty to collector status would be to return it to it's as-raced condition including accessories and livery.

As I think about my own car it's a conundrum: It was a mid pack runner as a Cup car back in period, but then ran in the German GTP Championship for five years, and actually won it's class one year. So potential collectors may prefer it in it's GTP colors which it still has.

Sports Car Market, the collector car journal, has this debate every time a dedicated racecar comes up for auction: does it get valued as a 'weapons-grade' racecar, or a historic period-piece. Ultimately I guess it depends on what kind of buyers step up to bid, and what their interests are.

My conclusion for now is that these are special cars which warrant a place in a serious collection of aircooled 911s, but that there were enough of them made that buyers will still find it acceptable to actually use them. So I feel fine keeping mine prepared for track work, as long as the work I do is reverseable. Also I'm on a slow path to obtain missing details (anyone have a center console?) to return it to 'as delivered' condition if that ever becomes important.

enthusiast

Agree that the 993 Cup Car are collectable and would have best value in "historic period-piece" condition. Graphics as raced are worth a lot too along with photos and/or video of the car on the circuit.

The 'last of the air cooled engine' bit still matters to a lot of people.


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cup997laurent

Thank you,
When i bought the car it was quite new because the first owner din't raced it , so no history exept one category win in French GT championship with ma as driver . so i think i will keep it with RSR wings that allows me to use the same wheels on my 964 RSR clone . The work back is easy and the engine and gearbox are matching numbers . The only difference on the engine is RSR pistons and cams which is invisible but give me 25 extra hp and more torque.

daedton

It would be very cool to arrange a centrally located track weekend gathering for everyone that still has these beautiful race cars. I would definitely attend. High Plains is a fun track If there's interest let me know.

11 RS
07 RS
98 993 Cup #001
98 C2S
77 911S

GT3Andre

I would attend for sure.... :-))

PhilRS

Hello all, nice to see this trend. I own the 1997 VIP Cup number 1 (one of the two factory entries for the '97 supercup season, poster car of '97 season and driven by Hans Stuck for journalists at Hockenheim). The car has its graphics as raced, Wagenpass and has not been repainted. Would someone know how many 993 cups were made each year of their short existence? Also, is there any book discussing them? I am aware of the Porsche Sport picture books.

chfs911

The smart money is in the 964. The 3.8RSR being the pick followed by a 1st 50 Cup.

Jürgen Barth/Gustav Büsing

- 1916 Lightweights (of which 72 were RHD) and 72 Touring (of which 14 were RHD)
- 290 Clubsport N/GT

- 701 RS America
- 90 RS 3.8 (incl. RSR)
- 22 Carrera 4 Lightweight
- 50 1990 Carrera 2 Cup
- 120 1991 Carrera 2 Cup
- 112 1992 Carrera RS Cup
- 45 1992 Carrera Cup USA
- 15 1993 Carrera RS Cup

The 993 is a half way house to the faster more desirable 996Cup. When are you selling? ;O)

daedton

philrs, there are production numbers listed from 94-98 for 993 cups in the jurgen barth book, "The Porsche Book". It's 3 book set.

The highest numbers produced were from 95-97 (not a big surprise as these were the middle years for 993 Cups. The #'s are still low though. If I remember right in the low 100's. 1998 was the lowest production year as it was obviously the last. Only 15 were made in 1998. I also believe 1994 was really low too. I have the book at home. If you PM me a reminder, I'll look it up. This book also verifies the VIN#'s..