996 Cup conversion to Street
#1
996 Cup conversion to Street
Hello all,
I am looking in to converting My 996 Gt3 Cup to a street legal version. To be registered in Europe most likely in Germany.
Any here have any experience with a project like that?
I guess paper work will be a challenge since it is build at Porsche motor sport and have no normal registration papers but only a Vin no and a Motor sport certificate.
Imputes are very welcome:-)
Thanks
I am looking in to converting My 996 Gt3 Cup to a street legal version. To be registered in Europe most likely in Germany.
Any here have any experience with a project like that?
I guess paper work will be a challenge since it is build at Porsche motor sport and have no normal registration papers but only a Vin no and a Motor sport certificate.
Imputes are very welcome:-)
Thanks
#2
Kannste vergessen... (Forget it...)
The KBA is well aware of this topic right now after several 981 Clubsports have been registered illegally. Porsche simply doesn´t approve these cars for road use and that´s it. EVERY 981 CS i know that has been registered at some point has been taken away that status by the local Authorities. And that car is much closer to a roadlegal car then any 996/ 997/ 991 Cup! (Streetcar engine/ Gearbox/ Exhaust System etc.)
Porsche (Motorsport) also refuses to provide any kind of useful documentation or information to obtain that status. The only way to get this done legally is a KFP issued by the DMSB and the homologation as a rally car. But then you´re only allowed to use it during sanctioned rallye events that you´re participating in.
The KBA is well aware of this topic right now after several 981 Clubsports have been registered illegally. Porsche simply doesn´t approve these cars for road use and that´s it. EVERY 981 CS i know that has been registered at some point has been taken away that status by the local Authorities. And that car is much closer to a roadlegal car then any 996/ 997/ 991 Cup! (Streetcar engine/ Gearbox/ Exhaust System etc.)
Porsche (Motorsport) also refuses to provide any kind of useful documentation or information to obtain that status. The only way to get this done legally is a KFP issued by the DMSB and the homologation as a rally car. But then you´re only allowed to use it during sanctioned rallye events that you´re participating in.
#4
I know one car as well... But the process has been highly illegal (including the use of a VIN/ the Fahrzeugbrief out of a crashed streetcar and some welding skills).
And so far that‘s the only way i ever heard of that this has actually worked. With the Motorsport VIN in place it‘s impossible.
And so far that‘s the only way i ever heard of that this has actually worked. With the Motorsport VIN in place it‘s impossible.
#6
I am no expert on global laws, but it would surely be illegal in any country. The problem lies in the VIN. Tampering with or changing a VIN is very illegal.
As an example, take the 993 Turbo Porsche made in 2017 (or whenever). Every single part conforms to 1997 regulations, but it was given a 2017 VIN. Since it does not meet 2017 regulations, it has as much legal roadworthiness as a submarine.
Wouldn't a street GT3 be better for the street?
As an example, take the 993 Turbo Porsche made in 2017 (or whenever). Every single part conforms to 1997 regulations, but it was given a 2017 VIN. Since it does not meet 2017 regulations, it has as much legal roadworthiness as a submarine.
Wouldn't a street GT3 be better for the street?
Last edited by FrenchToast; 11-19-2020 at 06:17 PM.
#7
I made a 964 Cup street legal and the only thing needed was a hand brake.
Different story. Other type of car.
In order to make a 996 Cup road legal, but also road drivable ....
you need a hand brake, add cooling fan, replace OEM seat by one where you can see over your shoulders, soften and highten the suspension and most likely add catalytic convertor.
Use a milder clutch and and then drive on road legal tires in a size that that is hard to match the OEM rear tire sizes.
What car is left then ?
Yes, you can drive it to a race track if you don't wanne trailer, but once there, it's a modded GT3, and you'll never be able to use it like the Cup was designed for.
Better keep it a Cup so it keeps it value, and use its gearbox and engine for special running hours, instead of many street miles.
Or sell the Cup and buy a GT3 street car and strip that one down, build a cage in it, and add some good suspension.
That's what i did before buying a Cup with my street GT3
Different story. Other type of car.
In order to make a 996 Cup road legal, but also road drivable ....
you need a hand brake, add cooling fan, replace OEM seat by one where you can see over your shoulders, soften and highten the suspension and most likely add catalytic convertor.
Use a milder clutch and and then drive on road legal tires in a size that that is hard to match the OEM rear tire sizes.
What car is left then ?
Yes, you can drive it to a race track if you don't wanne trailer, but once there, it's a modded GT3, and you'll never be able to use it like the Cup was designed for.
Better keep it a Cup so it keeps it value, and use its gearbox and engine for special running hours, instead of many street miles.
Or sell the Cup and buy a GT3 street car and strip that one down, build a cage in it, and add some good suspension.
That's what i did before buying a Cup with my street GT3
Last edited by Q&A; 11-20-2020 at 01:57 AM.
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#8
Thanks again for Your comments here, My concerne is the Vin, I don't wanna change Vin etc. I don't know how the few Roadlegal was made but I will find out.
The mechanical parts are kind of strange forward and can be fixed during the winter.
But why: Simple because there is just something with a full Race Car on the street. I will let You know if I continue the project.
Thanks guys
The mechanical parts are kind of strange forward and can be fixed during the winter.
But why: Simple because there is just something with a full Race Car on the street. I will let You know if I continue the project.
Thanks guys
#9
As from 1999 every road legal car produced has a COC, or Certificate of Conformity, creating a link between a VIN number and an EU certification number.
996 Cup cars have a dedicated VIN number but no COC certification number link to it, so the only way to make a 996 Cup tub "road legal" is to swap a VIN number from a road legal GT3 onto the 996 Cup tub.
The latter is called illegal practice as stated above.
996 Cup cars have a dedicated VIN number but no COC certification number link to it, so the only way to make a 996 Cup tub "road legal" is to swap a VIN number from a road legal GT3 onto the 996 Cup tub.
The latter is called illegal practice as stated above.
#11
My 2002 has Swiss papers (and I know mine is not the only one), but it says "not for public road use", it's still very helpful for crossing borders in Europe, but useless for street use, no way to get plates on it, well maybe some temporary ones to go to Italy with it f.ex.
Last edited by Francesco996; 11-20-2020 at 02:32 PM.
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If you put a GT3 Cup on the street you will want seats, cooling fan and clutch at a minimum. Exhaust would be next.
If you can register it on a "bill of sale" in your country then perhaps you can do all this.
I looked at doing it until i realized you can buy a "clubsport" kit for a 996 and 997 GT3 street car. (full bolt in factory cage).
Do yourself a favor a buy the clubsport kit and you can always full strip it and add the motorsports parts.
The 996 Cup and 996 GT3 are so very much alike you can mix and match parts to achieve the same experience you are looking for.
If you can register it on a "bill of sale" in your country then perhaps you can do all this.
I looked at doing it until i realized you can buy a "clubsport" kit for a 996 and 997 GT3 street car. (full bolt in factory cage).
Do yourself a favor a buy the clubsport kit and you can always full strip it and add the motorsports parts.
The 996 Cup and 996 GT3 are so very much alike you can mix and match parts to achieve the same experience you are looking for.