nolocontendere

Can someone summarize for me or forward me a link to the estimated costs to campaign a 991.2 GT3 cup car in IMSA GT3 Cup vs a 2020 Cayman Clubsport MR in GT4 America?

tcsracing1

My 2 cents:

GT4 America Sprint and Sprint X will be about the same run time as a GT3 Cup race. So consumbles about the same. (Sprint X would require additional crew to handle the pit stop/driver change).
Typically in GT4 America there is a "test" day, then a "practice" day and then you have the weekend of qualifying with 2 races. So GT4 america can add up on days proir to the race (im not sure how many days are involved in a typical Cup weekend?)

IMSA 997.2GT3 cup has 100 hour powertrain rebuild scheduled whereas Cayman does not. Something to consider.

I am not sure what the event entry fee differences are? GT4 America can be on the higher end of entry fee.
How many GT3 Cup races are there a year compared to GT4 America?

FYI: although not GT4 America, for comparsion (if considering it), IMSA GS is 2 hour race which means more fuel and more tires and more brakes. (2 of the 10 races are 4 hours which means more consumables again..)
Pit stops mean more people on the crew for the weekend along with all the saftey and refueling equipment required for pit stops.

Glen

car 200...season 300...if you dont wreck...car sells for 80 less post season.
Gt4 dunno.
best time is when u can. , not when u plan...

NSF

I had this same question two years ago before I bought a 991.2 Cup. The car is a whole lot closer to $300K after everything through PMNA is added up.

nolocontendere

so $300k/season and 8 races in a season so $37.5k a race weekend? How does that weekend cost breakdown (eg, support, tires, etc)?

tcsracing1

If you run Cup, i do not think they will have anymore new 991.2 Cups available for next season. So you would have to comb the used market.
Weekend Support cost depends on the team you run with.

GT4 America Sprint is typically 8 events which would match the GT3 Cup total amount of events. Crew and consumables would be about the same, however PWC typically has more test days which add up.
You can still buy a new GT4CS or comb the used market.

GT4CS is less money to operate compared to GT3 Cup in regards to engine/tranny rebuild costs. So keep that in mind.

You need to find the right team and the right car in either series. That will dictate some of the costs. I dont think the difference in price would be that much between the two at the end of the day. Not enough to choose one over the other in terns of "savings" anyhow..

I like GT4 because the level of speed is managable with abs, traction and stability control at my skill level and the cost to operate the car is lower then the cup in terms of rebuilds. I also like GT4 because i can run the same car in a bunch of series. IMSA, PWC, Trophy West, PCA etc...

I have thought about running Cup in order to experience driving at a faster pace without the help of ABS and traction control. But right now im spolied in GT4.

NSF

I don't know that I'm adding anything to this thread. I couldn't have explained it better. In sprint racing in a Cup clean weekends* have run as little as $28K and as high as $36K. Variables are distance traveled (transport costs) and whether you have an extra test day, which will burn up more tires and fuel plus an extra day of hotel, food, etc. for crew.

One additional comment which should apply to either car/series. A year later I have found that testing over and above what's on the schedule (off-season and in-season) is really where any spreadsheet gets tossed out the window. It's worth it, don't get me wrong. And a huge asterisk goes with numbers budgeted for events. Actual vs Budget really depends on how clean you run. Start buying radiators and bumpers beyond what you have in spares...it adds up really fast.

Frank 993 C4S

If you are looking to run a GT3 Cup competitively call Jeff Stone at Kelly-Moss for a detailed budget. From my last discussion with him, race weekends are in the $45 - $50k range. Test days are a lot less and most people don't account for crash damage and insurance costs. It adds up fast.

analogmike

GT3 cup racing is getting crazy.... We used to be able to run the Daytona 24 for that, and my IMSA GTC class races for TRG with a pro co-driver were not _that_ much more.

wagongotya

*waits for someone to talk NLS/VLN europe racing series costs* :-)

tcsracing1

word has it that for some, IMSA GT4 season is average around 1 million and for IMSA GTD it is around 4 Million. (1 million of it for Daytona 24h).

MSR Racer

this is true.

SkeerRacing

For a fascinating breakdown on proper GT3 racing (the class GT3, not the 911 GT3), Daily Sportscar did a 5 part series looking at it from all angles including a theoretical Spa24 budget.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/category/industry

tcsracing1

thanks for the interesting read!

lowside67

Direct link to part 1 is here:
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/0...ng-part-1.html

-Mark