405HP Cayman GTR
03-18-2006, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pstoppani
I'd be happy with a Cayman GT3 for $100K 
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03-18-2006, 09:30 PM
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Mooty, The guy with Cayman S racing in PCA. Its me email me at ernie@mantisracing.com. Fabricating roll cages since 1970. We will be at Road Altanta at end March. Seat belt bars,- 2.5 degree adjustable billet upper camber plates, PAC legal roll bar, cage is coming in April. rear adjustable rear sway bar. Ledas. Fire extingusher brackets. Ernie
03-25-2006, 03:33 AM
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I think a whole non-X51 996/7 wet sump motor is around $14K from Porsche. A guy by my dealer recently blew a shift and had to replace his 996 motor, and that's what he had to pay. So, I would not bother with X51, just drop in a 3.8L, do a few easy mods and call it good.
The ultimate, IMO, would be to get a dry sump GT3 motor for the Cayman. I don't know what that would cost ($20-30K I'm guessing).
There is a shop near me (Squires in Bellevue, WA) that has done 911 motor transplants into Boxsters. He charges around $20K (parts), which includes an LSD, and your old motor is sold as a core.
The ultimate, IMO, would be to get a dry sump GT3 motor for the Cayman. I don't know what that would cost ($20-30K I'm guessing).
There is a shop near me (Squires in Bellevue, WA) that has done 911 motor transplants into Boxsters. He charges around $20K (parts), which includes an LSD, and your old motor is sold as a core.
03-25-2006, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ernie J
Mooty, The guy with Cayman S racing in PCA. Its me email me at ernie@mantisracing.com. Fabricating roll cages since 1970. We will be at Road Altanta at end March. Seat belt bars,- 2.5 degree adjustable billet upper camber plates, PAC legal roll bar, cage is coming in April. rear adjustable rear sway bar. Ledas. Fire extingusher brackets. Ernie
Looking forward to your products. As I mentioned via email, please make sure we can use the stock belts even when your bars are installed; that is a deal-breaker for a lot of us.
03-25-2006, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by arenared
I don't think the X51 package is a fair/economical one because it includes upgrades such as airbox, headers, and exhaust upgrades which would be worthless on a transplant. Also, it is questionable whether or not the revised intake manifolds and ECU programming could be used. I think about all that you could use for sure would be the heads with revised cams. The ECU and Varioram intake manifolds would be a maybe. I think aftermarket cams/ECU/intake plumbing/exhaust would be better since most of the latter would be needed anyway. The 9ff stuff (different post) looks interesting if it's real. Instead of an X51, they offer a 4.0L. http://shop.eurocarboutique.com/Engine_C189.cfm
That Porsche charges $17K for these "upgrades" is absurd since I doubt the difference in cost if the upgrades were in the 3.8L to begin with would probably only be $1K or $2K, if that. The GT3 motor is more like a $17K upgrade. As others feel, the base should have been the non-X51 3.8L. Then, the Cayman S could have gotten the 3.6L while the base Cayman got the 3.4L. That would be more consistent with their pricing structure.
That Porsche charges $17K for these "upgrades" is absurd since I doubt the difference in cost if the upgrades were in the 3.8L to begin with would probably only be $1K or $2K, if that. The GT3 motor is more like a $17K upgrade. As others feel, the base should have been the non-X51 3.8L. Then, the Cayman S could have gotten the 3.6L while the base Cayman got the 3.4L. That would be more consistent with their pricing structure.
I spoke to someone at eurocar a way back and they mentioned that becuase of the engine position and the cayman's intake deficieny (compared to a 997), the amount of power will always be less than having the identical engine in a carrera...FWIW.
03-26-2006, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by qirex
...hand built, ported, polished and blueprinted custom motor that has up to an 8800 rpm redline!!!. ...
ppl dont buy cayman for hp., but for driving dynamics.
i find it amusing that ppl often say for the price of a cayman, you can buy a TT. that assumes TT to be a better car. i would not own a TT for $20k.
03-26-2006, 06:53 AM
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Mooty,
I guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla, but I hope you'd admit there are some appliations where the tt excels.
I do agree that I'd rather have a bullet-proof assembly line engine than a one-off, who-can-fix-this time bomb. AS
I guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla, but I hope you'd admit there are some appliations where the tt excels.
I do agree that I'd rather have a bullet-proof assembly line engine than a one-off, who-can-fix-this time bomb. AS
03-26-2006, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexander Stemer
Mooty,
I guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla, but I hope you'd admit there are some appliations where the tt excels.
I do agree that I'd rather have a bullet-proof assembly line engine than a one-off, who-can-fix-this time bomb. AS
I guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla, but I hope you'd admit there are some appliations where the tt excels.
I do agree that I'd rather have a bullet-proof assembly line engine than a one-off, who-can-fix-this time bomb. AS
i have great respect for porsche turbos, from the early beasts to the modern twin turbos. its acceleration, top speed and torque are beyond approach. i am speaking purely for myself. i find the car too fast for street (you would not believe the number of tix i got in 2002, whatever you think it is, multiply it by 2 or 3). and for track use, it's a bit on the porky side. but by no means am i saying it's a bad car. in fact, i see it as a supercar, but just not for me. much like your elise on the track. it's not the fastest out there, but elise is one of those things you either get it or you dont. and i love elise. i guess it's a wt thing maybe.
my comment about one off motors. i have several friends with motors built by very reputable shops in the industry. all of them mysteriously blew up on track after extended use. but they are fast. so one pays for super hi perf by accepting a shorter engine life. there's no free lunch, is my belief.
03-26-2006, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mooty
hand built and custom is really euphimism for needing rebuilt soon and blows up regulary.
ppl dont buy cayman for hp., but for driving dynamics.
i find it amusing that ppl often say for the price of a cayman, you can buy a TT. that assumes TT to be a better car. i would not own a TT for $20k.
ppl dont buy cayman for hp., but for driving dynamics.
i find it amusing that ppl often say for the price of a cayman, you can buy a TT. that assumes TT to be a better car. i would not own a TT for $20k.
). They are amazingly different cars.
03-27-2006, 05:57 AM
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TT = Audi TT ...?
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'00 996 C2 L92U AQ / IXAA IXRB IX54 M96/7.xx G96/7.88 M030 M375 M376 M436 M476 M601 M983 ... + 991 GT3 brakes, 997 GT3 sway bars, fully monoball'd suspension, Bilstein Cup Car coilovers, do88 Big Pack ICs. 10 & 12 x 19" BBS CH-R wheels with 265/30 & 325 /30 -19 MPSC2s.
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Power. Lots is good, more is better, too much is just right...
'87 951, RIP
'00 996 C2 L92U AQ / IXAA IXRB IX54 M96/7.xx G96/7.88 M030 M375 M376 M436 M476 M601 M983 ... + 991 GT3 brakes, 997 GT3 sway bars, fully monoball'd suspension, Bilstein Cup Car coilovers, do88 Big Pack ICs. 10 & 12 x 19" BBS CH-R wheels with 265/30 & 325 /30 -19 MPSC2s.
03-27-2006, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by pete95zhn
TT = Audi TT ...?
03-27-2006, 12:31 PM
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I wouldn't compare a CaymanS with any newer ( 993--> ) 911Turbo... OTH, CaymanS and top-end Audi TT's are in the same market...for some buyers.
03-27-2006, 09:37 PM
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Ive had all three and would. My Cayman feels very close to the rawness of my 993tt in terms of handling after I put the after market PSS9's on the car. As a matter of fact the cayman gives more feedback IMHO. Speedwise there is no comparison the 993 TT is a rocket. The Audi TT is a fine machine but lacks the suspension and feedback of the Cayman or 993 TT and the speed of both. It is just a less tuned car. Great on the road and awesome pull from the front when cornering. Of the three, I have only had the 993 TT on the track so far so I guess that will be the final test.
