Huntley Racing Turbo kits??? Thoughts/Experiences?
10-16-2002, 03:49 PM
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Huntley Racing Turbo kits??? Thoughts/Experiences?
How are the kits from Huntley Racing for Twin Turbos? Anyone ever do an upgrade from them? Any reliability issues with their Garrett Hybrid turbos? How is their software? I'm considering a kit from them, but I'm worried about support (not exactly local). Thanks in advance!
10-24-2002, 10:21 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Blue Menace:
<strong>How are the kits from Huntley Racing for Twin Turbos?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Heh, never heard of them doing twin turbos.
[quote]Originally posted by Blue Menace:
<strong>Anyone ever do an upgrade from them?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yup, lots of people!
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[quote]Originally posted by Blue Menace:
<strong>Any reliability issues with their Garrett Hybrid turbos?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sure, some...I think Tony Garcia said his Garrett lasted ~5k miles and Gabe's turbo blew oil out the tailpipe since day one.
[quote]Originally posted by Blue Menace:
<strong>I'm considering a kit from them, but I'm worried about support (not exactly local)</strong><hr></blockquote>
With Huntley you'll have a bit more to worry about than not being local.
[quote]Originally posted by Blue Menace:
<strong>Thanks in advance!</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're welcome.
<strong>How are the kits from Huntley Racing for Twin Turbos?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Heh, never heard of them doing twin turbos.
[quote]Originally posted by Blue Menace:
<strong>Anyone ever do an upgrade from them?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yup, lots of people!
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[quote]Originally posted by Blue Menace:
<strong>Any reliability issues with their Garrett Hybrid turbos?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sure, some...I think Tony Garcia said his Garrett lasted ~5k miles and Gabe's turbo blew oil out the tailpipe since day one.
[quote]Originally posted by Blue Menace:
<strong>I'm considering a kit from them, but I'm worried about support (not exactly local)</strong><hr></blockquote>
With Huntley you'll have a bit more to worry about than not being local.
[quote]Originally posted by Blue Menace:
<strong>Thanks in advance!</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're welcome.
10-25-2002, 01:59 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by PorscheG96:
<strong>Sure, some...I think Tony Garcia said his Garrett lasted ~5k miles
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Really???
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<strong>Sure, some...I think Tony Garcia said his Garrett lasted ~5k miles
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Really???
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10-25-2002, 04:14 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by DJF1:
<strong>Really???
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Yep.
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<strong>Really???
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Yep.
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10-28-2002, 01:55 PM
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I will agree with what G96 said, my turbo did go bad from the moment I placed it in there. It had way to much play in the turbine. Just be sure to check the play in the turbine when you buy one from Huntley. If it feels off at all, return it, no matter what anyone says from there! I listened to all the BS and ended up ripping apart my motor searching for something else wrong when all along it was their turbo being defective blowing oil throughout my air system! Check out Speed Force Racing for a turbo as well, Tim there is a great guy and has been through a lot with our 951's and most importantly stands behind his product (a quality that is hard to come by!). <a href="http://www.speedforceracing.com" target="_blank">www.speedforceracing.com</a>
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11-20-2002, 10:29 PM
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Since my name was mentioned here... I'll clarify things a little.
My Garrett ball bearing turbo is from Speed Force Racing, NOT Huntley Racing... which seemed to be implied.
Not that it matters since neither of them, nor any other Porsche tuner for that matter, makes these turbos. The real issue lies with Turbonetics. Those people are the problem in that they are producing sloppy turbos.
My turbo is a great turbo, but it's got too much play. It smokes sometimes. Not all the time, and usually at idle (at least that's the only time I can see it!)
I really have to remove the turbo and send it back to Turbonetics. The problem is that I don't want to be out of a car for what could be a good month or so.
That's what really pisses me off. I wish the tuners would keep a couple of replacements for times like this.
With respect to Huntley and twin turbo'ing flat 6's. I've seen two that he did. They were DAMN fast.
If you want a good reference on Huntley Racing, call Dan Aspesi at By Design in Los Angeles (a very good friend of mine). They have sent many cars down to Huntley (all with flat 6 motors ranging from twin turbo 914's to twin turbo conversion 993's). Dan will attest to the quality of Huntley's work.
Back to the Turbonetics thing. According to a very good source (and they aren't located in California), Turbonetics sold out some time ago. The engineers behind Turbonetics started another company (still located in Simi Valley) and are producing turbos that are of top quality.. unlike the Turbonetics CRAP that's coming out of that city.
I'll post the name of them after I get my new turbo from them and try it out for size.
My Garrett ball bearing turbo is from Speed Force Racing, NOT Huntley Racing... which seemed to be implied.
Not that it matters since neither of them, nor any other Porsche tuner for that matter, makes these turbos. The real issue lies with Turbonetics. Those people are the problem in that they are producing sloppy turbos.
My turbo is a great turbo, but it's got too much play. It smokes sometimes. Not all the time, and usually at idle (at least that's the only time I can see it!)
I really have to remove the turbo and send it back to Turbonetics. The problem is that I don't want to be out of a car for what could be a good month or so.
That's what really pisses me off. I wish the tuners would keep a couple of replacements for times like this.
With respect to Huntley and twin turbo'ing flat 6's. I've seen two that he did. They were DAMN fast.
If you want a good reference on Huntley Racing, call Dan Aspesi at By Design in Los Angeles (a very good friend of mine). They have sent many cars down to Huntley (all with flat 6 motors ranging from twin turbo 914's to twin turbo conversion 993's). Dan will attest to the quality of Huntley's work.
Back to the Turbonetics thing. According to a very good source (and they aren't located in California), Turbonetics sold out some time ago. The engineers behind Turbonetics started another company (still located in Simi Valley) and are producing turbos that are of top quality.. unlike the Turbonetics CRAP that's coming out of that city.
I'll post the name of them after I get my new turbo from them and try it out for size.
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11-26-2002, 01:43 PM
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Turbonetics was bought out- the original owners were trying to start a new company..but Im not sure if they are still functioning or what exactly they are doing..as I believe the story was they were focussing on performance turbos only.
Garret turbos are ok- i have used them on several cars..but nearly every flat six car I have seen with an oil seal or blowout problem has been traced to the accumulator not appropriately sized/mounted/plumbed or the lack of a restrictor in the feed line.
Shaft play seems to be more common now, esp with some of the aftermarket "tuner" turbos- I did a 944T upgrade a year or so ago and the shaft was sloppy and against better judgement it was installed, and seems to be ok...for now. My thought is they are "rebuilt" or "custom-assembled" on a bench by relatively unskilled labor rather than fitted and precision assembled. Im not saying its wrong, but just popping in a new cartridge in a housing is a sloppy way of doing things- and i have had more than one professional turbo serviceman tell me that is what he suspected when I brought them "newly rebuilt" turbos to be rebuilt after a few thousand miles. Just an observation-
Garret turbos are ok- i have used them on several cars..but nearly every flat six car I have seen with an oil seal or blowout problem has been traced to the accumulator not appropriately sized/mounted/plumbed or the lack of a restrictor in the feed line.
Shaft play seems to be more common now, esp with some of the aftermarket "tuner" turbos- I did a 944T upgrade a year or so ago and the shaft was sloppy and against better judgement it was installed, and seems to be ok...for now. My thought is they are "rebuilt" or "custom-assembled" on a bench by relatively unskilled labor rather than fitted and precision assembled. Im not saying its wrong, but just popping in a new cartridge in a housing is a sloppy way of doing things- and i have had more than one professional turbo serviceman tell me that is what he suspected when I brought them "newly rebuilt" turbos to be rebuilt after a few thousand miles. Just an observation-
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To clear a few things up, specifically 'PORSCHE G96' comments, which being a competitor of mine surly hasn’t tainted his negative comments about us but..... First as Tony stated we did not make his turbo but that being said any turbo has the potential to have a problem regardless who makes it. We DO NOT USE TURBONETICS because we don't believe the work is up to par. We do much of the work in house but for things like dynamic balancing and such we use an outside source. In the early days Turbonetics worked with us and another shop to help us develop the first Garrett Hybrid turbo for use on a KKK car. A lot has changed since then. Turbonetics started selling there own versions of these to anyone who wanted one and then you found any shop that wanted to sell turbos did. This caused many problems because Turbonetics really didn’t understand the physical requirements to installing these. There were many many failures and problems which has really hurt the reputation of these. All of our turbos carry a one year warrantee and if they should require repair for any reason we try to expedite repairs to minimize downtime for the customer. We have a very good success rate with these turbos and stand behind them with confidence. Heck we have been selling them longer than anyone else, period.
11-28-2002, 08:45 PM
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If you guys ever need a turbo gone through, I highly recommend Michigan Turbo. They rebuilt one of the IHIs in my 928 as well as the K24 from my Audi. Ask for Kelley, they are a very reliable and honest shop and they really know turbochargers. He rebuilds a boatload of diesel rig turbochargers so you can trust they know this stuff inside and out. I had no problems with their work at all.
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I hear alot of crap talking about Turbonetics;^) Sure Tonys turbo smokes a little. It was actually a rebuilt ball-bearing unit and maybe there was a mistake that was maid. I have seen a couple of other ball-bearing turbos from Turbonetics smoking (that we sold anyways). 3 out of about 50-60 ball-bearing turbos is not too bad.
More importantly, every turbo manufacturer is going to eventually sell a turbo that smokes, or blows oil. It happens and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. Sure we can sit here and gripe about Turbonetics but the truth is that I have seen quite a few turbos from TEC, Majestic, etc......blow oil and smoke. I have also noticed that some of these turbos had cracks inside the exhaust housings, close to the cartridge assembly. Some of these cracks actually penetrated through to the outside of the housing. Maybe this has something to do with the problem? BTW, almost every junk k-26/6 I have seen has a cracked exhaust housing in this same area. Hmmmmmm..... makes you wonder.
In conclusion, we still use and sell Turbonetics turbos. They are used on cars that run 200+ mph and that is good enough for us. Their turbos are also VSR balanced and have a year warranty against manufacturers defects.They actually stand behind their warranty too. This is hard to find in a turbo company. Take care.
More importantly, every turbo manufacturer is going to eventually sell a turbo that smokes, or blows oil. It happens and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. Sure we can sit here and gripe about Turbonetics but the truth is that I have seen quite a few turbos from TEC, Majestic, etc......blow oil and smoke. I have also noticed that some of these turbos had cracks inside the exhaust housings, close to the cartridge assembly. Some of these cracks actually penetrated through to the outside of the housing. Maybe this has something to do with the problem? BTW, almost every junk k-26/6 I have seen has a cracked exhaust housing in this same area. Hmmmmmm..... makes you wonder.
In conclusion, we still use and sell Turbonetics turbos. They are used on cars that run 200+ mph and that is good enough for us. Their turbos are also VSR balanced and have a year warranty against manufacturers defects.They actually stand behind their warranty too. This is hard to find in a turbo company. Take care.
12-10-2002, 10:36 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Huntley Racing:
<strong>To clear a few things up, specifically 'PORSCHE G96' comments, which being a competitor of mine surly hasn’t tainted his negative comments about us but...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Define competitor. John installed a turbo on my 968 with some excellent fab work from Tim Richards. Give me contact info for the customer whose car you performed this conversion on. Oh that's right you can't. Doesn't look like I'm competing, neither are you because you haven't done this conversion on a customer's car. I guess you consider everyone who says your work is sub-par [and the list is quite long] a competitor. Nope. Thanks for playing.
<strong>To clear a few things up, specifically 'PORSCHE G96' comments, which being a competitor of mine surly hasn’t tainted his negative comments about us but...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Define competitor. John installed a turbo on my 968 with some excellent fab work from Tim Richards. Give me contact info for the customer whose car you performed this conversion on. Oh that's right you can't. Doesn't look like I'm competing, neither are you because you haven't done this conversion on a customer's car. I guess you consider everyone who says your work is sub-par [and the list is quite long] a competitor. Nope. Thanks for playing.